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oniyide on 15 May 2011

why is it so important for Xbox360 to do "well" in Japan??



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scottie on 15 May 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:

 

 

 

Prioirty should have been

DS > PSP > Wii > PS3 > 360

 

Instead, for a while it went

360 > DS > PS3 > 0 > Wii > PSP.

 

Plain and simple, Square Enix cocked up very seriously, and are paying for it. They either need to get back to producing JRPGs for Japan, or eventually sink into insignificance.

You're greatly exaggerating their 360 support. The only exclusives Square Enix gave the 360 were Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant. Both of which were deemed mediocre by the critics and had little chance of being a hit on any platform. Star Ocean: The Last Hope was only a timed exclusive and could become the best selling game in the series thanks to multiplat sales.

The only big support Square Enix gave the 360 in recent time was making FFXIII multiplat. Which is primarily due to 360's great sales in the west, it was an easy port, and I believe MS requested it.

Their Wii support wasn't great. But Wii hasn't done particularly well at moving JRPGs either.

Square Enix has given PSP and DS a ton of support. Go check out all the games they've gotten over the years. So implying 360 was a bigger priority is just utter bullshit.


Please read the bolded. I never claimed that over the whole gen, SE had supported the 360 more than the DS, but they were doing for a while.

 

The Wii has not done well at moving JRPGs because it has not had any big JRPGs released.



Kenryoku_Maxis on 15 May 2011
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epicberserk said:

when you look at it tho the buy out would benefit microsoft due to the fact kingdom hearts , dragon quest , final fantasy 100 lol jk and they would own eidos , io interactive ,etc   and still own 25 percent of rocksteady due to selling it to time warner ..... would help microsoft out in their first parties


Square Enix does own Dragon Quest they only publish the games.

Enix owned the rights to Dragon Quest and Enix merged with Square.  SquareEnix now owns the rights to Dragon Quest in the same way they own Chrono or Mana.  This is why you don't see 'Revival of Mana' made by Brownie Brown and published by Nintendo or 'Chrono Break' made by Monolith Soft and published by Nintendo.  And why Monoliths new game is called 'Xenoblade' instead of Xenogears or Xenosaga.

Sadly, if Yuji Horii wanted to break off and make Dragon Quest by himself or for another company, he wouldn't be able to.  And SE would NEVER give up one of the most solid money making series in the world.  WHat they need to do is help make the series more popular outside Japan so they can double their sales.  Its what they should have been doing for the last 10 years instead of putting all their marketing into only 2 main series.

But isn't that the case though?  Doesn't Horii own Dragon Quest and Enix was just riding off of its popularity?  I mean I seem to recall reading here that being the case.  I mean the way Dragon Quest is handled it seems like Horii makes the final decision on the titles.  To further explain; Dragon Quest has been tied down to Nintendo these past few years I'm sure if Wada and his execs were in charge there'd be Dragon Quest on everything, hell even with the PSPs popularity so high in Japan right now I'm surprised not even a spinoff has been announced for it.

No, Enix owned (and now SE) the rights to Dragon Quest.  Yuji Horii did indeed create it, but Enix put up the money for its development, along with the games that followed.  That's why SE also owns the Mana and Chrono series.

But yes, Horii does have a pretty special setup where practically anything he wants, he gets.  But that's partially because the series has continued to increase in sales for every title since the first game.

Also, it is curious why Dragon Quest is only on Nintendo this gen.  But considering how well all the DQ games have sold, each over 1 million and DQIX selling 5.3 million, I think it was definitely the right choice.  Also, no one has said anything, but I'm pretty sure SE and Nintendo have a backdoor deal for the series.  Considering how Nintendo is advertising the series outside Japan and the whole exclusivity of the series.

While I do think Nintendo made a deal with S-E for DQ, isn't there a DQ-FF crossover Itadaki Street game for the PSP?

Yes, there is.  And Yuji Horii also created that series.  But its kindof hard to call that a Dragon Quest focused game when there's versions of Itadaki Street with no Dragon Quest ties.  And all the same, the DS got a DQ and Mario crossover version.  Which I find horribly ironic because the 'Mario Party' series seems ripped right from Itadaki Street.



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Mr Puggsly on 15 May 2011
scottie said:
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:

 

 

 

Prioirty should have been

DS > PSP > Wii > PS3 > 360

 

Instead, for a while it went

360 > DS > PS3 > 0 > Wii > PSP.

 

Plain and simple, Square Enix cocked up very seriously, and are paying for it. They either need to get back to producing JRPGs for Japan, or eventually sink into insignificance.

You're greatly exaggerating their 360 support. The only exclusives Square Enix gave the 360 were Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant. Both of which were deemed mediocre by the critics and had little chance of being a hit on any platform. Star Ocean: The Last Hope was only a timed exclusive and could become the best selling game in the series thanks to multiplat sales.

The only big support Square Enix gave the 360 in recent time was making FFXIII multiplat. Which is primarily due to 360's great sales in the west, it was an easy port, and I believe MS requested it.

Their Wii support wasn't great. But Wii hasn't done particularly well at moving JRPGs either.

Square Enix has given PSP and DS a ton of support. Go check out all the games they've gotten over the years. So implying 360 was a bigger priority is just utter bullshit.


Please read the bolded. I never claimed that over the whole gen, SE had supported the 360 more than the DS, but they were doing for a while.

 

The Wii has not done well at moving JRPGs because it has not had any big JRPGs released.

For a while? It was just two exclusives in 2008 and a timed exclusive in 2009. During those same years Square Enix also released a bunch of DS exclusives.

Blame Nintendo for not seeking them out like Sony and MS has. MS in particular threw money at Square Enix, Namco Bandai, and got Mistwalker off the ground.



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epicberserk on 16 May 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:
Mr Puggsly said:
scottie said:

 

 

 

Prioirty should have been

DS > PSP > Wii > PS3 > 360

 

Instead, for a while it went

360 > DS > PS3 > 0 > Wii > PSP.

 

Plain and simple, Square Enix cocked up very seriously, and are paying for it. They either need to get back to producing JRPGs for Japan, or eventually sink into insignificance.

You're greatly exaggerating their 360 support. The only exclusives Square Enix gave the 360 were Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant. Both of which were deemed mediocre by the critics and had little chance of being a hit on any platform. Star Ocean: The Last Hope was only a timed exclusive and could become the best selling game in the series thanks to multiplat sales.

The only big support Square Enix gave the 360 in recent time was making FFXIII multiplat. Which is primarily due to 360's great sales in the west, it was an easy port, and I believe MS requested it.

Their Wii support wasn't great. But Wii hasn't done particularly well at moving JRPGs either.

Square Enix has given PSP and DS a ton of support. Go check out all the games they've gotten over the years. So implying 360 was a bigger priority is just utter bullshit.


Please read the bolded. I never claimed that over the whole gen, SE had supported the 360 more than the DS, but they were doing for a while.

 

The Wii has not done well at moving JRPGs because it has not had any big JRPGs released.

For a while? It was just two exclusives in 2008 and a timed exclusive in 2009. During those same years Square Enix also released a bunch of DS exclusives.

Blame Nintendo for not seeking them out like Sony and MS has. MS in particular threw money at Square Enix, Namco Bandai, and got Mistwalker off the ground.

yup microsoft funded to open up development for mistwalker



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Galaki on 16 May 2011
scottie said:

Prioirty should have been

DS > PSP > Wii > PS3 > 360

 

Instead, for a while it went

360 > DS > PS3 > 0 > Wii > PSP.

 

Plain and simple, Square Enix cocked up very seriously, and are paying for it. They either need to get back to producing JRPGs for Japan, or eventually sink into insignificance.

You forgot the facebook games. Or what they call, social networking games.

Plus the iPhone games, too.



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