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GodOfWar_3ever said:
Hephaestos said:

I was the first

WTF ? I could've sworn you were one of the last.... Some suspicion I had on you has been lifted...but I'll keep my eyes on you still.

I've always had this secret vendetta against you btw.... :P remember the SF game ? That was my best showing on VGC by far, and I missed out the chance of gaining victory for the town because of you :P

Yeah that was an awfull ending... bickering about rules we both didn't understand fully (first game for both)... it's proably Vett who would have ended up winning without that whole shannanigans though.

on the vendetta... you should be good friends with wonk ^^...



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Stefl1504 said:
zarx said:

*quote*


Thatsthe thing I don't "want" to lynch him I think that he is currently the most suspicious person in the game ATM there are also 2 lurkers. We the town are already down one vote so no lynch is probably not the best idea at this point but a miss-lynch could be desasterous. 

Also you say you voted me because you wanted me to contribute more yet you ignore 2 lurkers, what is up with that?


While you made some posts your posts had zero content until I voted for you. You were a active lurker.

Well I don't think any harm can come in saying this since it was posted to be seen:

I believe his first 2 posts had a lot of content... hence why I asked him about his knowledge of the lore.



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There's a reason why I unvoted Linkz, I can't imagine why he would come up with the PM story if he's scum (I mean that he read the PM and is scum, but pretends he did not read it). he pratically paints a target on himself. I just don't expect such a move from an experienced player like Linkz. He is a hell of an dangerous player for the scum if he's town. That's why I don't want to loose him. Of course he's as dangerous as scum player, but.... something tells me he is pro-town.

However, I suspect Stefl at this point.

First, the "towny" story.

Stefl1504 said:


Are you a towny ^^

 

Why would you ask especially for a town player? Normally when you're town you're looking for the scum. Early mistake? We'll see. I find it also interesting how you changed the topic later with jokes etc. and discussion about it kinda felt under the table. the discussion about NotStan and his probabilities just fitted you as concealment, right?

Later he voted for GodofWar_3ever, at a point where we got almost no information on him (because he hasn't posted yet besides the usual "I arrived" comment.) he probably did that to hide possible connections to 3ever, or just to look to pretend contributing.

Stefl1504 said:

4. Now completly off topic: Can anybody explain me why it feels like FF XIIIs ending was the worst ending ever ;P

 

 

Again, nice distraction, though I can't agree more with you here.

And I didn't like your reaction Wonk's claim, either. Like TruckO said, everybody who can't see the benefits of a confirmed townie, must be...scum.

I'm not 100% sure about (nobody can), but I'm betting my ass you're scum. I just know it.

Vote: Stefl

I'm not so sure about NotStan, but thinking more scum than town. He comes off as the newbie scum player, making small mistakes at the beginning, but otherwise... I'll keep an eye on him.

Final-Fan seems to me like pro-town. Easy as that. He contributes, and while he doesn't post the amount of comments of others, his posts are precise, intelligent, and to the point(Although he has his joke posts, too). To me, that has far more value than a huge amount of discussion, where small mistakes can easily be missed. His comments also seem to contribute more than distract, and scum usually try to distract or steer the discussion in another direction. Don't dissapoint me here, Final-Fan!

I don't know about TruckO. Something tells me he's fishy, but that could be just my imagination, or, the desperate search for scum :P. For now, it's 50 town/50 scum tell for me. In any case, I need to see more from him.

With theprof00 I have the same problem like 3ever. he's so damn hard to read, in all games I've played with him, I never had an idea which side he was on until very late in tha game. He's as hard to decipher as a soulless puppet. (Take that as a compliment, prof!)

Wildvine53 comes off as the typical scum lurker, but it's still day one, and I ain't jumping to conclusions (yet), "lynch all lurkers" doesn't always bring good results...

Heph, Heph, Heph.... He was always the opposite of what I've been thinking. If I thought he was town, he was SK. If suspected him as scum, he turned up town. His fast vote for Linkz would fit scum, but then again explanation was reasonable. Also, scum typically don't vote first. Additionally, he unvoted before Linkz got hammered. Scum usually just hammer, whereas townies want to find out more and be really sure the lynch. I guess he's town. On another note, being older 4500 years and still playing videogames? you have my respect. :P

Vetteman94 is very passive, which worries me. When he's town, he's a very active player.I haven't played a game where he was scum (or at least I can't remember), so I can't see the difference between the two playstyles.

Aside from his vote for me, I don't have a clue about 3ever. To be honest I haven't really looked into him yet.

 



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

WTF? Why did my text turn small?



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Silver-Tiger said:

 On another note, being older 4500 years and still playing videogames? you have my respect. :P


to be fair, they are still relatively new so haven't had time to bore me yet, but i'm back at pen and paper (well keyboard and screen) with mafia ^^

(on your analysis, the only thing I disagree is your last point on Stefl, to me wonk can't be considered as a confirmed townie... as he has no weight on the game besides his voice)

 

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)



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Silver-Tiger said:

WTF? Why did my text turn small?


Quoted this one because its smaller and it gets your attention.

I voted for GoW because he already posted that he aknowledges the beginning of the game and only made one post so far, zarx has made multiple posts (okay I think 3 or so) so he wasn't the one I picked for inactivity (well, I also posted at some time that I have known the game wasn't running for too long at that time). All the others that were on my to vote list haven't posted once so I did discard them from my list. Also please note that I unvoted emidiatly as soon as GoW made a contributing post.

The Final Fantasy Post was made by me because I finally finished FF XIII - some 15 minutes before I made that post and still was disappointed... but that doesn't matter anymore, you were bringing it up again.



Hephaestos said:
Silver-Tiger said:

 On another note, being older 4500 years and still playing videogames? you have my respect. :P


to be fair, they are still relatively new so haven't had time to bore me yet, but i'm back at pen and paper (well keyboard and screen) with mafia ^^

(on your analysis, the only thing I disagree is your last point on Stefl, to me wonk can't be considered as a confirmed townie... as he has no weight on the game besides his voice)

 

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)


I also thought about that. At 3vs3 1 sump mafia still wins, because even if all townies vote for one scum, they still need one additional vote. And Scum for sure aren't voting themselves, when it's 3vs3. The stump can't vote so technically the only option would be to lynch another townie, which makes winning for the town even more impossible. The inclusion of a Vig makes this interesting, though he'd need to be a day time Vigilante. A night time Vigilante wouldn't work again, since even if he kills a scum member in the night, The town would need to lynch another townie at day, since, again, scum aren't voting themselves. The result is a 2vs2 situation next day.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Silver-Tiger said:
Hephaestos said:
Silver-Tiger said:

 On another note, being older 4500 years and still playing videogames? you have my respect. :P


to be fair, they are still relatively new so haven't had time to bore me yet, but i'm back at pen and paper (well keyboard and screen) with mafia ^^

(on your analysis, the only thing I disagree is your last point on Stefl, to me wonk can't be considered as a confirmed townie... as he has no weight on the game besides his voice)

 

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)


I also thought about that. At 3vs3 1 sump mafia still wins, because even if all townies vote for one scum, they still need one additional vote. And Scum for sure aren't voting themselves, when it's 3vs3. The stump can't vote so technically the only option would be to lynch another townie, which makes winning for the town even more impossible. The inclusion of a Vig makes this interesting, though he'd need to be a day time Vigilante. A night time Vigilante wouldn't work again, since even if he kills a scum member in the night, The town would need to lynch another townie at day, since, again, scum aren't voting themselves. The result is a 2vs2 situation next day.

last day could be just the stump though =)



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Stefl1504 said:
Silver-Tiger said:

WTF? Why did my text turn small?


Quoted this one because its smaller and it gets your attention.

I voted for GoW because he already posted that he aknowledges the beginning of the game and only made one post so far, zarx has made multiple posts (okay I think 3 or so) so he wasn't the one I picked for inactivity (well, I also posted at some time that I have known the game wasn't running for too long at that time). All the others that were on my to vote list haven't posted once so I did discard them from my list. Also please note that I unvoted emidiatly as soon as GoW made a contributing post.

The Final Fantasy Post was made by me because I finally finished FF XIII - some 15 minutes before I made that post and still was disappointed... but that doesn't matter anymore, you were bringing it up again.

To be fair, your defense is reasonable, and you really unvoted as soon 3ever contributed...However, I still keep my vote on you. There are other points that make you suspicious, and the vote for 3ever were not the main reason I suspect you. For now I want to see what the next day brings.

Maybe you are comfortable with the fact that you're not in danger yet. That's the highest I can offer you right now.

And that remark about FFXIII was more like a joke post. I was disgusted by the terrible ending, and the whole game in general.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Stefl1504 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

FoS Stefl: For not seeing the possible benefits of a confirmed townie.


Sorry that I don't think that this was a good decision, but I really think if scum wasted a kill on him it would be more valuable... of course he now can say whatever he wants, but if he claimed he should have done it at a later point, not in endgame, but certainly not day one...

I'm not saying he played his hand perfectly but after the "plan" he tried to execute, people were bound to realize he had no vote.  So when that happened his chance of luring scum to kill him dropped considerably so roleclaiming was the logical choice at that point.

Also quoting for attention since this is one of the big reasons Heph revoted me.

I'm afraid I don't follow. Heph voted for you because of Wonk's actions?



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