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NGP Project Cafe cross platform games

Yes most 3rd party games ... 60 29.70%
 
It will happen but won't... 39 19.31%
 
Hardly any games will be cross platform 42 20.79%
 
There will be none 17 8.42%
 
See results 44 21.78%
 
Total:202
HappySqurriel on 13 May 2011
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.

Or ... In many ways it could also be a statement that third party publishers are not (initially) going to put too much effort into pusing Nintendo's next generation system.

Hypothetically speaking, if a game is playing on Nintendo's next generation system at a resolution of 1080p @ 60 fps with 16xAA and 16xAF with the higher detailed models and textures from the PC version of the game and a much longer draw distance the system would be demonstrating that it was far more powerful than the HD consoles while still re-using most of the work that was done for the HD consoles. At the same time, when the next generation consoles for Microsoft and Sony are released, these same third party publishers could release games for Nintendo's system that run at a resolution of 720p and/or have a framerate of 30fps and still have these games share the vast majority of work between this system and Sony/Microsoft's next generation system.



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milkyjoe on 13 May 2011
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.

Not only that but Ubisoft would likely be porting games anyway no matter how powerful Cafe is. Can't wait to play Rayman 2 Cafe...



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Play4Fun on 13 May 2011
HappySqurriel said:
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.

Or ... In many ways it could also be a statement that third party publishers are not (initially) going to put too much effort into pusing Nintendo's next generation system.

Hypothetically speaking, if a game is playing on Nintendo's next generation system at a resolution of 1080p @ 60 fps with 16xAA and 16xAF with the higher detailed models and textures from the PC version of the game and a much longer draw distance the system would be demonstrating that it was far more powerful than the HD consoles while still re-using most of the work that was done for the HD consoles. At the same time, when the next generation consoles for Microsoft and Sony are released, these same third party publishers could release games for Nintendo's system that run at a resolution of 720p and/or have a framerate of 30fps and still have these games share the vast majority of work between this system and Sony/Microsoft's next generation system.


Well yeah, that too.



Umos-Cmos on 13 May 2011
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.

Also, it could be just like PC to console ports.  They use many of the same assets but the PC versions of the games are superior graphically in every way.  DICE recently stated in an interview that their new Frostbite engine could be upscaled to work with "next generation" graphics yet it can run smoothly on the current gen consoles.  I agree with Play4Fun entirely.



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Gojimaster on 13 May 2011

I think you will probably see more 3DS to NGP cross-platform titles than you will see Cafe to NGP cross-platform.  Cafe will get more ports with 360/PS3.  Of course, NGP may also get a few of the 360/PS3 ports.



 

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Joelcool7 on 13 May 2011
Zlejedi said:
Joelcool7 said:

As many pointed out NGP will be incapable of running Cafe games. I epect Cafe to be like DreamCast was back in its day. I doubt the rumours that it will be using out dated hardware. Nintendo will set the bar as high as they can while turning a profit. I bet PS4/NexBox will be more powerful devices but I expect for 2012 the Cafe will be a state of the art machine.

As such I doubt NGP could handle anything that comes to Cafe with the exception of Cafe'Ware! If the Cafe was truly as weak as NGP then Nintendo is in for a very big fall in support. They would loose almost all of their hardcore fans (Except me) and they would have a very hard time attracting third parties and casuals. Luckily we know Nintendo won't launch an inferior system to PS3 thats a given.

Well if you look at recent Nintendo consoles:

3DS - outdated hardware - 3D screen as mind catching gimmick

Wii - outdated hardware - motion controls gimmick

NDS - outdated hardware - second screen

Gamecube - powerfull up to date hardware - everything classic.

 

So if Nintendo can find something that would work as mind catching gimmick for Cafe I fully expect them to go with outdated hardware.

Uh yah you see Nintendo's handhelds have always used out dated hardware. Name one handheld made by Nintendo that used state of the art hardware?

NES - Up to date hardware

SNES- Up to date powerful hardware

N64- A graphical super power more powerful then anything the market had ever seen

GameCube - Powerful up to date hardware

Wii - Out of date graphically but next gen controller capabilities

The Wii was an oddity Nintendo has always produced powerful hardware in the past. I would be very suprised if Nintendo didn't release up to date hardware. Mainly because Nintendo knows they will have the market for a year or two before the competition enters the fray. Nintendo also knows a big hurdle for third party support was the inability to port titles.

Nintendo will pull a DreamCast launching an up to date or maybe even new unseen technology. Expecting Sony and Microsoft to launch similiar powered consoles two years in the future. Especially if rumours are correct and Nintendo is targetting their core demographic again.

Also the rumour about the screens on each controller and how that will use power. Umm guys seriously nobody had a single clue as to what the Wiimote looked like until Nintendo unvieled it. I remember at TGS 2005 everyone freaking out when they saw the controller and not knowing what it did or how it worked. No rumours had lead to any knowledge of the controller.

So based on knowing nothing all we can do is speculate. I don't believe a single rumour right now. Nintendo is known for being the most tight lipped company and I doubt they would allow their next controller to be leaked this far in advance of E3!



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osamanobama on 13 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:

I think you're making a very large assumption that Nintendo's next console will be closer in processing power to the NGP than Sony and Microsoft's next generation console. It is possible (and even likely) that this assumption will be false ...


Agree. My guess is NGP will be relative to PS3 similar to how PSP is relative to PS2, whereas Cafe should hopefully surpass PS3 pretty handily (though i suppose that was the case with the relations between Wii PS2 and PSP)

Hopefully however Cafe introduces something that would make porting to a portable an unappetizing option. Something unique and catchy like the Wiimote

sony said the NGP's power will be closer to the ps3 than the psp was to the ps2.

but i would imagine the Wii2 will be more powerfull than the ps3, as the WII 1 was to the gamecube



zarx on 13 May 2011
osamanobama said:
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:

I think you're making a very large assumption that Nintendo's next console will be closer in processing power to the NGP than Sony and Microsoft's next generation console. It is possible (and even likely) that this assumption will be false ...


Agree. My guess is NGP will be relative to PS3 similar to how PSP is relative to PS2, whereas Cafe should hopefully surpass PS3 pretty handily (though i suppose that was the case with the relations between Wii PS2 and PSP)

Hopefully however Cafe introduces something that would make porting to a portable an unappetizing option. Something unique and catchy like the Wiimote

sony said the NGP's power will be closer to the ps3 than the psp was to the ps2.

but i would imagine the Wii2 will be more powerfull than the ps3, as the WII 1 was to the gamecube


if that is true then the PS3 is a lot weaker than everyone has been saying because the released specs are miles behind. I imagine that is just the usual marketing speal.



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zarx on 13 May 2011
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.


actually it says plenty about the power if you add it all together, it's clear the system won't be a power house and that any extra power will be used for other things, like the multiple screens etc. No rumour has sugested that it would be more than twice the power and that is coming from many different sources, some of which I don't think can be trusted at all who sugested that it would be "weaker" than the 360.

Look if current tech and assets can utalise the full power of the system like Ubisoft says and they have dev kitts and are developers so they should know then the system won't be significantly more powerful or it's resources will be used for other features. Ever since Iwata took over they have used less powerful hardware as seen in the Wii, DS and 3DS that is unlikely to change. All evidence points towords the system being in the same league as the PS360 and there is no evidence to suggest that it will be significantly more powerful.

There is just nothing more to say so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one even tho my point of view has a bunch of evidence and yours has none...



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Play4Fun on 13 May 2011
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:

You don't have any idea AT ALL.

Until we see some tech demos or at least are told what GPU or whatever it has, you don't know the power of the console.

All the rumours have told us so far is they could be using an R700 GPU, which could mean a half generational jump (medium end R700) to a generational jump (high end R700). 

The only people who know anything are the ones who have seen what's under the hood of the console.


So the multiple roumers putting it's capabilities near the PS360 plus Ubisoft who have dev kitts saying 

"What we see is that we will be able to leverage a lot of the work we do for Xbox 360 and PS3 while we create games for the platform," Guillemot said. "So we will not have to redo completely the games that we create. We'll be able to use all the capacity the console is giving but also use all the work we do for the other platforms."

 


That says nothing about the system's power. Nothing.

It means the architecture of the console makes it easy to port PS360 games to it. That is all.

Nintendo used an architecture similar to the 360 because devs have an easier time with that one than PS3's architecture.


actually it says plenty about the power if you add it all together, it's clear the system won't be a power house and that any extra power will be used for other things, like the multiple screens etc. No rumour has sugested that it would be more than twice the power and that is coming from many different sources, some of which I don't think can be trusted at all who sugested that it would be "weaker" than the 360.

Look if current tech and assets can utalise the full power of the system like Ubisoft says and they have dev kitts and are developers so they should know then the system won't be significantly more powerful or it's resources will be used for other features. Ever since Iwata took over they have used less powerful hardware as seen in the Wii, DS and 3DS that is unlikely to change. All evidence points towords the system being in the same league as the PS360 and there is no evidence to suggest that it will be significantly more powerful.

There is just nothing more to say so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one even tho my point of view has a bunch of evidence and yours has none...

 

I'm not going to bother telling you anything else, especially since your reading comprehension fails.

You obviously now nothing about tech and all you do is pull crap out of your ass.

I'll take what I learn from techies on other forums over your fail logic.