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Badassbab on 05 May 2011
CGI-Quality said:
Badassbab said:

What? 3 discs on 360? Is it the same game engine that powered GTAIV and RDR? Because if it is I've got a tough decision to make. Technically superior 360 version or one disc PS3 version. Hell might go with PC.

The PS3 version is likley to be the superior version, as it was started as a PS3 exclusive and that's the main version they've shown thus far. Besides, there is no PC version right now.


Just checked in Wiki and it's not RAGE engine so hopefully 720p for PS3 (and 360).






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osamanobama on 05 May 2011
Badassbab said:
cory.ok said:
Badassbab said:

What? 3 discs on 360? Is it the same game engine that powered GTAIV and RDR? Because if it is I've got a tough decision to make. Technically superior 360 version or one disc PS3 version. Hell might go with PC.


technically superior how?


The RAGE engine that powered GTAIV and RDR was-

720p on 360 vs 640p on PS3

Superior framerate on 360

More foliage for 360 RDR

MSAA on 360 vs QAA on PS3

Superior draw distance on 360 RDR

Superior water effects on 360

Supeior shadows on 360

Missing shadows on PS3 RDR

 

PS3 did hold some advantages of it's own though such as-

Triple Buffered V Sync (360 was double buffered with soft v-sync)

Sometimes superior shadow casting and lighting on RDR

GTAIV TV watching was superior on PS3 due to blu ray space

yes, after reading the review on DF, it sounded like both games had their pros and cons but overall the xbox version was better.

but with RDR, it seemed as if the already small difference shunk a lot more. making them nearly identical



D-Joe on 05 May 2011
osamanobama said:
D-Joe said:
osamanobama said:
dsister said:
osamanobama said:

it said, they are making download content that didnt fit on the disk,

so i would assume that if disk space wasnt an issue, then that content would be on the retail disk of the game.

also when i read the article. my understanding of it, was progressing in the game with the main story mission, you will only need to swap disks twice, but their are side mission that arent directly story related, that you can play, but would have to switch disks to get back to them, if they were on the previous disk. the wording was a bit ambiguous, but that was my understanding


Like I said in my earlier post, three DVDs have more space than a single layer blu-ray. So if anything content was cut because of the blu-ray, since the DVDs still had another half gigabyte to fill, they could of probably held a DLC mission or two more. 

And if you read the article it says you will only need to swap twice.

In fact, players will only need to swap discs twice at natural breaks between cases without interrupting the flow of the game

your maths seem very wrong.

bluray: single layer: 25 GB

DVD: duallayer: 8 GB x 3 = 24 GB

also i think thats the first time ive ever heard the arguement that bluray is holding back content. congratulations, you deserve a prize for that.

 

also your bolded says, you will only NEED to swap disks twice. meaning at minimum, the very least, you will need to change dicks 2 times. but if you read the article again, when it mentions side missions, it seems to allude to that if you wanted to complete some of them, you would need to swap disk more than twice. 

DVD9=8.54GB...

nope.

also lets not forget, that over 1 GB is allocated to security, meaning it cant be used for the game. meaning at max the game uses 21 GB.

http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/term.cfm/dvd-9

7.95 is GiB

1GiB ≈ 1.074GB



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A Bad Clown on 05 May 2011
osamanobama said:

So does this confirm GTA V as a ps3 exclusive?

 

also its a shame they had to cut content because of DVD.

edit: since its not an open world game, it doesnt impact it as much.

by the sounds of it, disk swapping wont really be a problem advancing linearly through the game, but it sounds like there may be problems if you were wanting to do side missions. yo would have to go back and switch disks again. main missions wont be an issue.

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dsister on 05 May 2011
osamanobama said:

your maths seem very wrong.

bluray: single layer: 25 GB

DVD: duallayer: 8 GB x 3 = 24 GB

also i think thats the first time ive ever heard the arguement that bluray is holding back content. congratulations, you deserve a prize for that.

 

also your bolded says, you will only NEED to swap disks twice. meaning at minimum, the very least, you will need to change dicks 2 times. but if you read the article again, when it mentions side missions, it seems to allude to that if you wanted to complete some of them, you would need to swap disk more than twice. 


No, my math is right, your knowledge on dual layer DVDs is off. A single layer is 4.7 GBs, a dual layer is 8.5 GBs. 

8.5 + 8.5 + 8.5= 25.5 

25x1=25 

You are taking something and trying to warp it in the worst way possible. All the multi-game discs I played I could travel all I want. I only had to swap for story segments. And lets look at it one more time: 

In fact, players will only need to swap discs twice at natural breaks between cases without interrupting the flow of the game

Swapping while trying to do side missions would severely interrupt the flow of the game. Come on, this is fun. How else can you twist it? 



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LivingMetal on 05 May 2011
Nsanity said:

Swapping discs twice at natural breaks between cases without interrupting the flow of the game vs mandatory installing.


Mandatory installing.  Less wear-n-tear on the optical disc drive. 



Slimebeast on 05 May 2011

Is Mass Effect 2 on two discs on the Xbox??



dsister on 05 May 2011
osamanobama said:


yes but adding another dvd is adding another disk, for a total of 4 (which is a crazy amount of disks).

dual layer bluray, is just one disk, no swapping. no clicking something like "press to go to second layer"

theres no way to know if it were a duallayer or not, unless you new the size of the game


What are you even saying... I don't even know



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Nsanity on 05 May 2011
osamanobama said:
Badassbab said:
cory.ok said:
Badassbab said:

What? 3 discs on 360? Is it the same game engine that powered GTAIV and RDR? Because if it is I've got a tough decision to make. Technically superior 360 version or one disc PS3 version. Hell might go with PC.


technically superior how?


The RAGE engine that powered GTAIV and RDR was-

720p on 360 vs 640p on PS3

Superior framerate on 360

More foliage for 360 RDR

MSAA on 360 vs QAA on PS3

Superior draw distance on 360 RDR

Superior water effects on 360

Supeior shadows on 360

Missing shadows on PS3 RDR

 

PS3 did hold some advantages of it's own though such as-

Triple Buffered V Sync (360 was double buffered with soft v-sync)

Sometimes superior shadow casting and lighting on RDR

GTAIV TV watching was superior on PS3 due to blu ray space

yes, after reading the review on DF, it sounded like both games had their pros and cons but overall the xbox version was better.

but with RDR, it seemed as if the already small difference shunk a lot more. making them nearly identical

Might not be night and day but there is a difference.

The Xbox 360 versionRed Dead Redemption possesses higher resolution, improved levels of detail, noticeably superior performance in-game and fewer jaggies owing to a more consistently applied anti-aliasing solution that doesn't blur the image. Shadows are generally sharper, and of better quality (particularly on the characters' self-shadows).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-red-dead-redemption-face-off?page=2



LivingMetal on 05 May 2011
dsister said:
osamanobama said:

it said, they are making download content that didnt fit on the disk,

so i would assume that if disk space wasnt an issue, then that content would be on the retail disk of the game.

also when i read the article. my understanding of it, was progressing in the game with the main story mission, you will only need to swap disks twice, but their are side mission that arent directly story related, that you can play, but would have to switch disks to get back to them, if they were on the previous disk. the wording was a bit ambiguous, but that was my understanding


Like I said in my earlier post, three DVDs have more space than a single layer blu-ray. So if anything, content was cut because of the blu-ray, since the DVDs still had another half gigabyte to fill, they could of probably held a DLC mission or two more. 

And if you read the article it says you will only need to swap twice.

In fact, players will only need to swap discs twice at natural breaks between cases without interrupting the flow of the game

Yes, but when you program a game that requires multiple discs, data needs to repeat itself from disc to disc.  So even though the amount of storage space totals to be greater, you are required to repeat data (such as the main character to say the least).  Therefore, having more total space amongst several discs might not be as effecient as a single larger storage media.  So your theory of the "lack of space" on Blu-ray doesn't necessarily hold water.