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vlad321 said:

First of all, I love how one text file is used as evidence. I mean really. In fact, to show you what I mean, I just created a text file named Anonymous that had "We Are Legion" in it on my desktop.

Second, Anonymous isn't a group that has entrance exams interviews or anything. You can come and you can go as much as you want. I can be part of anonymous just by saying so, and if I feel liek it I can say I am not a part of them. You (and I mean you, the individual reading this) can do the exact same. 

So there you go, two reasons just how silly this is.

Edit: I forgot to mention. Do you HONESTLY think Anonymous will go ahead an literally rape a humongous company's security that they hate, and then proceed to not gloat endlessly about it? If you say yes, then you don't know anything about Anonymous' previous actions.

They are not that stupid.

Anyone that would such a thing and gloat about it on the web would go straight to jail without getting their 20 000$...

However weak Sony security might have been, breaching into their network and stealing the information is actually a crime.

The biggest breach on record was at Heartland where 100 millions of credit card numbers were stolen.

The hacker responsible was sentenced last year to 20 years in jail......



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vlad321 said:

1. However if I was on the security team of Sony... come on now, use your head some, no need for me to spell it out for you.

2. My statements are not mutually exclusive, and therefore your entire point is absolutely void, yet again. You just have to look at the most recent Gawker Network deal to see what I mean by Anon gloating. Or the part wehre the completely fucked that one security firm. Or the one where they fucked the DDoSing anti-piracy company in India. The list keeps going and going.

1. Ah-ha, see I already knew you did that because I'm a CIA investigator combing your server, and I've found that the file was created on this computer, so I know it's an inside job, or a plant. I just wanted you to admit it. You do know the penalty for disturbing a crime-scene, correct? Oh, and I saw you lied to congress about it too. You're going to jail for a long time, son. Although it is respectable that you love your own company enough to sacrifice yourself for it. Oh well, hands on the hood please, sir.

2. How are you statements not mutually exclusive? You explain how a person can be a member of anon without anon even knowing, and then say, "then why did anon not know about it"?

 

EDIT: And I think I understand why you're passively hinting at things. You think it's too crazy to come out and say what you're implying. Right? :P



M.U.G.E.N said:
Vetteman94 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Sure why not

yep and with those assholes recent history, evidence are 'against' them.

and I don't think they said they were responsible tho right? I think they just said a file was left by the hackers with that name.

honest to god if I see one more guy defending hackers I'm gonna lose it!

or not but yea you get the point


This word evidence, it doesnt mean what you think it means



Ail said:
vlad321 said:

First of all, I love how one text file is used as evidence. I mean really. In fact, to show you what I mean, I just created a text file named Anonymous that had "We Are Legion" in it on my desktop.

Second, Anonymous isn't a group that has entrance exams interviews or anything. You can come and you can go as much as you want. I can be part of anonymous just by saying so, and if I feel liek it I can say I am not a part of them. You (and I mean you, the individual reading this) can do the exact same. 

So there you go, two reasons just how silly this is.

Edit: I forgot to mention. Do you HONESTLY think Anonymous will go ahead an literally rape a humongous company's security that they hate, and then proceed to not gloat endlessly about it? If you say yes, then you don't know anything about Anonymous' previous actions.

They are not that stupid.

Anyone that would such a thing and gloat about it on the web would go straight to jail without getting their 20 000$...

However weak Sony security might have been, breaching into their network and stealing the information is actually a crime.

The biggest breach on record was at Heartland where 100 millions of credit card numbers were stolen.

The hacker responsible was sentenced last year to 20 years in jail......

Because they obviously failed to gloat when they hacked illegaly into other networks. Like say, the security firm, or Gawker media. Correct?

Edit: Remembered the sceurity company was HBGary.



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theprof00 said:
vlad321 said:

1. However if I was on the security team of Sony... come on now, use your head some, no need for me to spell it out for you.

2. My statements are not mutually exclusive, and therefore your entire point is absolutely void, yet again. You just have to look at the most recent Gawker Network deal to see what I mean by Anon gloating. Or the part wehre the completely fucked that one security firm. Or the one where they fucked the DDoSing anti-piracy company in India. The list keeps going and going.

1. Ah-ha, see I already knew you did that because I'm a CIA investigator combing your server, and I've found that the file was created on this computer, so I know it's an inside job, or a plant. I just wanted you to admit it. You do know the penalty for disturbing a crime-scene, correct? Oh, and I saw you lied to congress about it too. You're going to jail for a long time, son. Although it is respectable that you love your own company enough to sacrifice yourself for it. Oh well, hands on the hood please, sir.

2. How are you statements not mutually exclusive? You explain how a person can be a member of anon without anon even knowing, and then say, "then why did anon not know about it"?

 

EDIT: And I think I understand why you're passively hinting at things. You think it's too crazy to come out and say what you're implying. Right? :P

1. You are telling me that businesses don't try to get blame off themselves whenever they can no matter what?

2. Let me spell it out for you then. Random group of people gets together. They want to achieve 1 specific goal. Any time a situation like this happens, where there is one common specific goal, a "leader" will emerge, in this case it's probably Random Guy #732 who knows what he is talking about when it comes to the given situation. Next time it could be Random Guy #17. When they are done said leaders, or Random Guy #673 who knows how to make a statement without getting caught, goes out and gloats about how some company got screwed or not.



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gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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evidence like them saying that they were planning huge psn attack days before psn was brought down is what he's talking i'd think



vlad321 said:
Ail said:
vlad321 said:

First of all, I love how one text file is used as evidence. I mean really. In fact, to show you what I mean, I just created a text file named Anonymous that had "We Are Legion" in it on my desktop.

Second, Anonymous isn't a group that has entrance exams interviews or anything. You can come and you can go as much as you want. I can be part of anonymous just by saying so, and if I feel liek it I can say I am not a part of them. You (and I mean you, the individual reading this) can do the exact same. 

So there you go, two reasons just how silly this is.

Edit: I forgot to mention. Do you HONESTLY think Anonymous will go ahead an literally rape a humongous company's security that they hate, and then proceed to not gloat endlessly about it? If you say yes, then you don't know anything about Anonymous' previous actions.

They are not that stupid.

Anyone that would such a thing and gloat about it on the web would go straight to jail without getting their 20 000$...

However weak Sony security might have been, breaching into their network and stealing the information is actually a crime.

The biggest breach on record was at Heartland where 100 millions of credit card numbers were stolen.

The hacker responsible was sentenced last year to 20 years in jail......

Because they obviously failed to gloat when they hacked illegaly into other networks. Like say, the security firm, or Gawker media. Correct?

Does hacking Gawker carry a sentence of 10 years in Gitmo?



Edit 3: The site was acting all funny, double post.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

theprof00 said:
vlad321 said:

Because they obviously failed to gloat when they hacked illegaly into other networks. Like say, the security firm, or Gawker media. Correct?

Does hacking Gawker carry a sentence of 10 years in Gitmo?


I am fairly sure I read about his being jailed. I am also fairly sure Guantanamo Bay wasn't where he was sent. I may have just misread.

Cyber attacks carry punishments, especially when they harmed a given entity. In both cases, if the hackers are caught, I am fairly sure they will end up in jail.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
theprof00 said:
vlad321 said:

Because they obviously failed to gloat when they hacked illegaly into other networks. Like say, the security firm, or Gawker media. Correct?

Does hacking Gawker carry a sentence of 10 years in Gitmo?


I am fairly sure I read about his being jailed. I am also fairly sure Guantanamo Bay wasn't where he was sent. I may have just misread.

Cyber attacks carry punishments, especially when they harmed a given entity. In both cases, if the hackers are caught, I am fairly sure they will end up in jail.

That guy wasn't persued by Homeland security. He will be labeled a terrorist, and terrorists don't go to jail.