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Profcrab said:

I have to say, I would not be surprised if Sony framed Anonymous for it.  Anonymous is a super easy target and Anonymous itself likely has no way of even knowing if the accusation is correct or not.  Not only that,  many people will want to believe it's Anonymous.  Of course, it is also possible that someone else is framing them for it. 

My guess is that they were hacked by someone looking to make money from the information and they were working on getting more credit card info when Sony shut down the network.  It was a good time to do it because they had been threatened by the now infamous Anonymous.  The Anonymous file could have been left by them, again because the US government would like to use that to justify more raids on people's computers and would bite on that bait.  Sony could also have put it there as a way to go from negligent company to victim of super-hackers.  With this event potentially costing them tens of millions, if not hundreds, over the course of the next few years, they will take any PR advantage they can get.

OMG Profcrab was hacked by Anonymous... the REAL profcrab would rate his post!!



 

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Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


It's obvious that EVERYONE thinks Sony framed anon.



Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

Profcrab said:
CaptainObvious said:

Anonymous are easy to frame cause no one knows who they are.

Anonymous ate my homework


Too true.  Their publicity has likely been a huge gift to cybercriminals.  Besides, what does it take to leave a small file behind?  Just upload an ominous text file and there you go! Framed! No one who thinks about it very long will buy it 100%, but most people will just hear it on the news and the evidence will be good enough for them.


give me one reason why anyone would do that. Just one. And not "to frame them", as if that means anything without a reason why.

Look, hackers are an extremely egotistical slice of society. They brand EVERYTHING. They even release underground CDs with the music they make for their keygens. (YES, they release keygens with Homemade Midi music.....they are actually really sweet MIDIs too)

I don't know where you are getting the information to back your logic, but looking at all angles, if ANYONE is lying here, the CIA and homeland security likely put them up to it. For what reason? I'd say to trick the hackers into thinking that the investigation is on the wrong track. Communication is everything to organizations, so miscommunication and misinformation is really the only motive I can see here.

(Of course, if the hackers are not rogue members of anon, and never placed that calling card, they would know that Sony is lying, figure out the scheme, and make off to Thailand or a deserted island. Lying that you're on the wrong track is only ever meant to buy a little time before you strike)

So, I'd say that whole scenario is pretty unlikely. 

If Sony planted ANYTHING, and then LIED to congress about it? If you believe that they think they can get away with that while several government intelligence agencies are combing their servers, you must think really lowly of them.



Kasz216 said:


I dunno.  I think it makes more sense for  a hacker to take all of 5 seconds to put it in there as any easy deflector.

That's a boring explanation. Get back to us when you can make Sony look worse. 



Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


Nah, it'd make more sense if it was the hackers... I mean, high profile incident right before you break in?  Takes 5 seconds on word?  Makes sense to me.

I can't see how anyone would steal credit card information in the name of customer rights... that's just stupid.

I mean, i guess you could argue they would do it to make a point about internet saftey, but I doubt they'd start with Sony right after banning attacks on it... and if that was the case, we'd of heard about it already.



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Kasz216 said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


1.Nah, it'd make more sense if it was the hackers... I mean, high profile incident right before you break in?  Takes 5 seconds on word?  Makes sense to me.

2.I can't see how anyone would steal credit card information in the name of customer rights... that's just stupid.

3. I mean, i guess you could argue they would do it to make a point about internet saftey, but I doubt they'd start with Sony 4. right after banning attacks on it... and if that was the case, we'd of heard about it already.

1. Yup. Plus CIA would notice "anon.txt, modified: this morning"

2. Yup. And still no reports of unauthorized CC activity, even after 20 days of having them. Coincidence?

3. Yup

4. Anon's leaders banned sony attacks about as much as law enforcement banned homicide.



Like, Brett banned trolling and flaming, and yet vgc members do it ALL THE TIME. Now imagine that they banned trolling and flaming, but didn't have any actual power to ban anyone.

That's what Anonymous is.... basically, the hacking equivalent of the gamefaqs forums

Oh, and like others said, it's not an organization more than it is an idea. That idea is pretty much V for Vendetta. People's rights, disestablishment, freedom, justice. Just because someone says, "don't attack Sony", the idea that Sony must be taken to justice is the essence of Anon. 



The thing with anonymous is that they have no membership, no offices, no spokeperson...

Basically you can blame them for everything and for nothing.

So they might not have been the one that did it but at the same time the act of leaving the file could be considered as an act of declaring membership or sympathy to their cause...

it's kinda easy and cheasy to at the same time not have membership and depending on actions claims responsability or not on what random people are doing, depending on whether you like people reaction to it or not...

 

And in the unlikely event that they actually did it they would never acknowledge it because the person doing the acknowledgement could be prosecuted by a federal court( or at least would be considered a person of interest in the investigation).( you can't prosecute an organization that doesn't exist but you can prosecute individual people).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

theprof00 said:
Profcrab said:
CaptainObvious said:

Anonymous are easy to frame cause no one knows who they are.

Anonymous ate my homework


Too true.  Their publicity has likely been a huge gift to cybercriminals.  Besides, what does it take to leave a small file behind?  Just upload an ominous text file and there you go! Framed! No one who thinks about it very long will buy it 100%, but most people will just hear it on the news and the evidence will be good enough for them.


give me one reason why anyone would do that. Just one. And not "to frame them", as if that means anything without a reason why.

Look, hackers are an extremely egotistical slice of society. They brand EVERYTHING. They even release underground CDs with the music they make for their keygens. (YES, they release keygens with Homemade Midi music.....they are actually really sweet MIDIs too)

I don't know where you are getting the information to back your logic, but looking at all angles, if ANYONE is lying here, the CIA and homeland security likely put them up to it. For what reason? I'd say to trick the hackers into thinking that the investigation is on the wrong track. Communication is everything to organizations, so miscommunication and misinformation is really the only motive I can see here.

(Of course, if the hackers are not rogue members of anon, and never placed that calling card, they would know that Sony is lying, figure out the scheme, and make off to Thailand or a deserted island. Lying that you're on the wrong track is only ever meant to buy a little time before you strike)

So, I'd say that whole scenario is pretty unlikely. 

If Sony planted ANYTHING, and then LIED to congress about it? If you believe that they think they can get away with that while several government intelligence agencies are combing their servers, you must think really lowly of them.

Think about how gains from blaming Anonymous.  Sony gets a PR boost because it makes them seem like victims of cyber-terrorists.  If a cybercriminal leaves it, it is the kind of bait that the US goverment likes to see right now since they are actively going after Anonymous and would like more public support to do so.  This includes more computer seizures of people they are interested in looking at.  A single file is relatively easy to fake.  From Sony's point of view, a PR boost of any sort out of this could be worth several million in sales when they are looking at some pretty large losses.  I didn't say that Sony did lie.  I just said that I wouldn't be surprised if they had put the file there.  It is a very, very small piece of data that could be easily placed and faked.  The motive is certainly there to do it.  That is all I am saying. I'm not even attacking Sony.  I could see any company in a similar situation pulling the Anonymous card right now.  We aren't talking about a few hundred dollars here.  We are talking millions.



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CaptainObvious said:
Ajescent said:

So is everyone convinced that Sony are the ones trying to frame Anon?


It's obvious that EVERYONE thinks Sony framed anon.

Why would Sony want to frame Anon?



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