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flagstaad on 04 May 2011
Silver-Tiger said:
oniyide said:

i dont really care about the HD, but the 8gig storgae, is bullcrap. YOu cant do crap with that. unless you plan on not really using any online at all and even then some games require 5gig install

Maybe they are using a fast drive that doesn't installs at all. PS3 games are only installed because the drive is horribly slow. If you use 8Gb only for saves and DLC, it should be enough.

This.

Remove the game installs and you should have enough storage for the average consumer, add a 32GB SD card and there you go almost 40 GB of memory for way less than the premium costof the Xbox with HDD and everything is optional. My presonal preference will be 16GB of flash memory, but 8GB is enough to work, I still have space free in the 512Mb of my Wii.



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oniyide on 04 May 2011

@silver-tiger not for DL games though, Stacking alone is 1 gig



masschamber on 04 May 2011
NJ5 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

this sucks, the console has to be comparable to Ps4 instead of Ps3, this way Nintendo will miss the 3rd parties and core gamers once more...


Even if this rumor is true, the lack of 1080p does not mean that games aren't easy to port. Resolution is one of the easiest things to change when porting, in fact PC games and many console games can run in several resolutions...


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Solid-Stark on 04 May 2011

Depending what the online store will have, 8gb is too small for me.



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Tecmo on 04 May 2011

no 1080p would be a mistake in my opinion, hd visuals are not the most important thing in the world but we're at the point where consoles should be able to support 1080p

also 8GB is too small, if they are really going after the "core" crowd ("core is a word I don't like, but it seems to not be going away) then 1080p is a must  as well as a decent size hdd



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Gojimaster on 05 May 2011

I call bogus on this rumor.  8GB doesn't even make sense, the 3DS can already take in a 8GB microSD card.  Terrabyte hard-drives are currently selling for around $50.  Nintendo could probably get a 2501080P shouldn't be that much harder to do than 720P resolution for a 2012 console.  Reggie just said that Project Cafe would try to attract a very different audience than the discounted Wii. 

If Nintendo comes out this underpowered for the next-gen, you can count me out.  I will just stick with my 3DS and my PS3. 



 

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jarrod on 05 May 2011
greenmedic88 said:

 

SD cards are not a substitute for HDD. Currently. Data transfer rates for standard Class 10 SD cards are about 10MB/s compared to the current average 2.5" HDD of 100-200 MB/s. Faster SD formats (UHS-1/UHS-2 compliant) are of limited availability (UHS-2 under development) and quite expensive. Current UHS-1 cards top out at about 45 MB/s at a cost of about $150 (low) for a 32GB card. This is not to say that Project Cafe will even support UHS-1/2 compliant SD format cards.


What are you talking about?  You can get a 64GB SDXC card with a transfer speed of 15MB/s for $113 or a 64MB SDXC card @ 25MB/s for $144 right now?  UHS-1 will run you more yeah (about $220-ish) but that's for 64GB @ 60MB/s. A year from now or whenever Cafe hits, they'll have larger size capacities and faster transfer speeds for less money... SD a year from will make more sense for a 360-plus level system.



Squilliam on 05 May 2011
greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

> 50% in this generation make do with 4GB or less... Surely that means most people are fine with 8GB?

Consumers may be fine with low onboard storage suitable for minor patches, game saves and small DD games, but developers would definitely prefer having extra onboard storage to improve the performance of their games.

That's one of the most often quoted liabilities of the Xbox 360 by developers.

Actually the reason why the Xbox 360 has no HDD in the Arcade is because they doubled the RAM in the console to 256 MB, so it was a good tradeoff because the alternative was even worse.

Anyway if Nintendo go for a reasonable system such as 1GB of RAM with 6-8* Blu Ray they'll have a better stream speed/memory size ratio than the PS3, including the HDD streaming from the install (if applicable)



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greenmedic88 on 05 May 2011
jarrod said:
greenmedic88 said:

 

SD cards are not a substitute for HDD. Currently. Data transfer rates for standard Class 10 SD cards are about 10MB/s compared to the current average 2.5" HDD of 100-200 MB/s. Faster SD formats (UHS-1/UHS-2 compliant) are of limited availability (UHS-2 under development) and quite expensive. Current UHS-1 cards top out at about 45 MB/s at a cost of about $150 (low) for a 32GB card. This is not to say that Project Cafe will even support UHS-1/2 compliant SD format cards.


What are you talking about?  You can get a 64GB SDXC card with a transfer speed of 15MB/s for $113 or a 64MB SDXC card @ 25MB/s for $144 right now?  UHS-1 will run you more yeah (about $220-ish) but that's for 64GB @ 60MB/s. A year from now or whenever Cafe hits, they'll have larger size capacities and faster transfer speeds for less money... SD a year from will make more sense for a 360-plus level system.

Compared to a 2.5" 500GB 5600 rpm HDD that costs $50 with a data transfer rate of between 100-200 MB/s?

It isn't a comparison by any measure.

You're trying to compare a 15MB/s 64GB card with 100MB/s 500 GB HDD at less than half the price ($113 vs about $50). One third the price of the 25MB/s card, which still has only 1/4 th the transfer speed.

If you think 64 GB UHS-2 cards will exist in 2012 with data transfer rates of over 100MB/s for under $50, by all means, feel free to chime in now, but even if they matched the bandwidth of current common 2.5" 5600 rpm HDDs, which in the same time frame will be 1TB for the same price or much less for a 500 GB HDD, you're still comparing a 64GB storage device with a 500-1000 GB storage device.

Even a comparable capacity 64 GB SATA-3 SSD is currently cheaper with far faster transfer speeds.

While it's entirely possible I'M being the irrational one here, I'd rather have a 128-256GB SATA-3 SSD for "$50" if anyone actually believes NAND flash memory is going to be that cheap in another year than a 64GB UHS-2 SD card with a transfer rate that barely matches current HDDs with a fraction of the storage capacity.



greenmedic88 on 05 May 2011
Squilliam said:
greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

> 50% in this generation make do with 4GB or less... Surely that means most people are fine with 8GB?

Consumers may be fine with low onboard storage suitable for minor patches, game saves and small DD games, but developers would definitely prefer having extra onboard storage to improve the performance of their games.

That's one of the most often quoted liabilities of the Xbox 360 by developers.

Actually the reason why the Xbox 360 has no HDD in the Arcade is because they doubled the RAM in the console to 256 MB, so it was a good tradeoff because the alternative was even worse.

Anyway if Nintendo go for a reasonable system such as 1GB of RAM with 6-8* Blu Ray they'll have a better stream speed/memory size ratio than the PS3, including the HDD streaming from the install (if applicable)

The only thing MS got out of making HHDs optional was an initial $299 SKU to shave $100 off the entry price. They did it to offer a low cost alternative. It had nothing to do with the Xbox having "so much RAM" that it didn't need external storage of any kind.

In 2012, 8GB of flash memory will be the equivalent of the 512MB of flash Nintendo put in the Wii. Which everyone who actually used their Wii and bought VC/WiiWare games complained about. Unless they're not planning on selling DD games or content without some pretty serious capacity limitations (no 1GB demos or XBL/PSN games), it's pretty short-sighted.