*shakes head at thread*

Firstly for the whole consiperacy theory thing, lets be real for every bit of evidence for the consiperacy there is evidence against it, and likewise in reverse so I am not going to touch that one.

What I will touch on is the changes to the law that have sprung up since then.

"Your home can be LEGALLY searched with out your KNOWLEDGE or PRESENTS and any items CONFISCATED.

You can LEGALLY be DETAINED INDEFINETLY and LEGALLY TORCURED, without access to a LAWYER or without knowing what your detained for."

This means any of you as american's could be in these peoples positions the only thing preventing this is that fact that you are not muslim of middle easter desent.

dabaus513 said: Who cares? Are these not the same people that video taped the decapitation of a jewish person simply because he was jewish? Are these not the people that, by law, kill gay people and for the most part deny women alot of rights? Are these not the same people that attacked us on sept 11?

 No they are not! Not until they have been convicted of such by a court. It is called the presumption of innocence and is a human right which means that by presuming them guilty the US are violating these men's human rights:

 

• The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which they have had all the guarantees necessary for their defence.

Using presumption of guilt is one of the first steps to a totalitarian society as it allows to imprison anybody on bogus charges that are very hard to disprove (especially once you have been arrested and denied legal counsel).

The next US election cannot come soon enough and we can only hope that the next US government won't be as bad as the current one.

P.S.: If you think that the war in Iraq is expensive wait until you have to pay reparations to all those that have been illegally detained and tortured or their family in the coming decades; that should add quite a bit to the cost.

United states of America is a sick country, sick of power, but not all the people of the united states are, I assume most of them are not. But they have no control of what their government does..., The Clinton administration was great because it was not a military driven one. The first in a long time, to most americans is unknown the way they invade countries for nothing until the bodies of their soldiers start coming in bags and media starts uncovering their crimes of war...

I guess I could say the same about countries with terrorists, most of the people in those countries are not terrorists, yet they get invaded and civils get killed as a collateral effect.

The US is a great country, they just have to stop thinking they can police the world, and invade whatever country they want for whatever reason they want. Its laughable that they invaded irak after the events of 9/11, because Iraq had nothing to do with it, i dont know if conspiracy theories are right or not, but it was really convenient those events happened so they could start war with a totally different country for their oil interests... chemical weapons in Iraq? I think to this day they found nothing in there...

I'm out.

Why must political flamebait result in religious bashing?
I agree this is unconstitutional but I am SICK of these ego and ethnocentric political threads that say nothing but "My beliefs > yours. therefor I am smarter then you" .

I AM NOW COMMANDEERING THIS THREAD IN THE NAME CIVILITY! IT IS NOW A CUTE DOG THREAD! POST SOME FUCKING PUPPIES!

My corgi will begin by opening my documents/pictures/dogs folder.

Hello I am Myahon's Corgi, Courage. He has instructed me to post these pictures.

FUCK YEAH CORGIS!