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Torillian said:
Viper1 said:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/30/review-the-conduit/

They did review it.  3/5 stars.  Different reviwer though.

got me there, weird that that doesn't show up on meta, since they didn't have a review for conduit counted on meta I assumed they didn't do one.

You have to admit that a better game that the previous one, even if the bar is now higher doesn't deserve a 2/10 when the same gamesite give the first one a 6/10. I can understand if they say is 5/10, even a 4/10. But a 2/10 is just not even playable and Conduit 2 is not in that league.

In my review of the original I gave it a 8.1/10 and this one is around 7.9/10. I have to keep playing it to reach a final conclusion but I am confident that it will not move from that score. I am sure that even if we change reviewer the new one will not give this game a 4/10 score, because it doesn't make sense, the gaming sites has to have some consistency, otherwise nobody will take them seriously.



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Another point, I'd never assign one of my staff to review a game I knew they'd just berate without validity.  If I know they aren't going to like a game, I'll have the publisher send the game to someone else who more likely will.

Someone who likes the game/series is more likely to give the game a fair review over someone who hates the game/series from the start.



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@viper  you said it yourself sites are using different reviewers, can you show me a site that the same reviewer look at both games and still give Conduit 2 a lower score?? Cause if you cant then their is no bias or "agenda" against Wii.



and another thing, i find it odd that people are claiming low scores because some bias against Wii. What about high scores because of bias FOR wii. Over looking flaws for a game just because its exclusive on your system of choice is just a bad as giving it low scores because you hate the system that its on. Look no further than Conduit 1 review on IGN, no way that was an 8.5 game, but reading it and playing it the game should have received a 7.5 max.



oniyide said:

@viper  you said it yourself sites are using different reviewers, can you show me a site that the same reviewer look at both games and still give Conduit 2 a lower score?? Cause if you cant then their is no bias or "agenda" against Wii.


That isn't valid for disproving that, since Conduit was still a Wii game, and the argument is that the bias against has gotten worse.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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Mr Khan said:
Torillian said:
Viper1 said:

Torillian, I said, "though our reviewer did score it higher than I did for the first game."

I also think the issue is while the game itself is average, that doesn't mean it sucks or is garbage as is claimed by many reviewers and even a few members.  Just take a look at Joystiq's review for an extreme example.

Joystiq's review seems overly harsh, but they didn't review the first game so you can't use that as a difference between how the first and second games are being treated by reviewers.  By the sound of it the guy probably would have hated the first Conduit as well, just the wrong choice for the review.

Joystiq's review is a bad example altogether because they brought in someone with clearly next to no perspective on reviewing games period (he was credited as an "actor" and "WoW enthusiast,"), and the entire review justs seemed to be a vehicle for them to shill his book and score some hits reviewing a game they figured no-one cared about anyway


That seems like a good thing for http://gamejournos.com/ to call on.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

@lordtheknight  again, show me how it has gotten worse. Unless you can gaurantee that the people who are giving Conduit 2 low scores now would have given the original the same or worse. Saying reviewers have a bias against Wii without any evidence is kind of tacky, and no Joystiq doesnt count, they are one of many and are known to be harsh



"Cause if you cant then their is no bias or "agenda" against Wii" implies lack of proof is proof of a lack, which is not how it works.

Although I should have written that the bias is more open instead of worse, because all the doomed articles and hate on games that don't fit narrow standards is nothing new.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

^^^ Hell from what ive seen all the doom articles are coming from Ninty fans and what hate on what games are you talking about? What does any of it have to do with Conduit??? If a game is good it gets good reviews if its bad it gets bad reviews. the Conduit series seems to be somwhere in the middle and thats why they are sitting on 66 Meta while Blops and GE sit on 80



oniyide said:

^^^ Hell from what ive seen all the doom articles are coming from Ninty fans(1) and what hate on what games are you talking about(2)? What does any of it have to do with Conduit???(3) If a game is good it gets good reviews if its bad it gets bad reviews.(4) the Conduit series seems to be somwhere in the middle(5) and thats why they are sitting on 66 Meta while Blops and GE sit on 80


1. I meant the Wii being doomed every time the sales had a dip and wanted the system to die prematurely. As for the Nintendo fans, a thread is not an article. And they aren't claiming Nintendo is doomed, just going in a bad direction.

2. What games? You haven't seen bashing on just about every Wii game that actually appeals to the mainstream more than those that please reviewers?

3. The game is on a system they hate, and that they think is finally going away. That means it's safe to bash new releases. Now you don't have to agree with that, but you seem to have not even noticed it stated already on this thread.

4. You're kidding. The review system has been shown to favor huge hyped releases, reviewers get flown in to play the biggest games, they've shown several time that they out of touch with the mainstream (they clearly don't like hit games for the reasons the games actually sell), and people have said that their companies force them to make games that please reviewers, no matter how much the game actually sells. So no, they do not give scores based the actual quality of the game.

5. Okay, "seems" means you are just blindly agreeing with the reviewers, instead of actually having played it yourself.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs