First off, the SNES was not a major decline or under-performer for its time at all. They simply had stronger competition than they had before.
Second, what you don't realize is that market disruption is not always the key to success. With the Wii, yes it was the right time for a system like that. But look at the PS2: The most successful home console ever by a wide margin. Did it offer any new ways to play or new hooks never seen before? Other than the inclusion of a DVD player, no, it didn't. It was just the right system at the right time; outperforming the Dreamcast by just enough in both power, and most importantly, support, and not able to be outperformed enough in these areas by any competition in the near future.
Many of the "blue ocean" people who bought the Wii were the expanded market customers who played Wii Sports and bought Wii Fit, but then failed to continue to support the console because they're not true gamers. The PS2, however, was largely bought by people who play games and continued to support the system by buying more games consistently. Yes, it's important to try to appeal to the former, but it's the latter that keep consoles successful overall. And when you're as successful as the PS2 with the latter, you end up with some of the former as well.
It's too early to tell whether or not Project Cafe will be a resounding success, but I believe Nintendo is going for a PS2-like strategy; coming off of a successful predecessor and aiming to be the right system at the right time for the market.
| thetonestarr said: Problem is, you know absolutely nothing about Project Cafe and you have no clue whether or not it's consumer-friendly. You know a ton of rumors, but that means jack squat. |
True Cafe is rumors, but look at the games Nintendo has released recently and is planning, Galaxy 2, M:OM, Skyward Sword, not exactly what the market is demanding
-head meets desk. multiple times- I just...I don't. WHAT THE HELL???????? Why is this the only corner of the gaming net that emulates that strawman Malstrom? Jumping the gun there a bit, ain'tcha? I don't see any indication that Nintendo is "abandoning" their expanded audience. If you go by just the rumors it seems that all they're doing is getting third parties on board (though that's only if you go by the rumors of Cafe).
| archbrix said: First off, the SNES was not a major decline or under-performer for its time at all. They simply had stronger competition than they had before. Second, what you don't realize is that market disruption is not always the key to success. With the Wii, yes it was the right time for a system like that. But look at the PS2: The most successful home console ever by a wide margin. Did it offer any new ways to play or new hooks never seen before? Other than the inclusion of a DVD player, no, it didn't. It was just the right system at the right time; outperforming the Dreamcast by just enough in both power, and most importantly, support, and not able to be outperformed enough in these areas by any competition in the near future. Many of the "blue ocean" people who bought the Wii were the expanded market customers who played Wii Sports and bought Wii Fit, but then failed to continue to support the console because they're not true gamers. The PS2, however, was largely bought by people who play games and continued to support the system by buying more games consistently. Yes, it's important to try to appeal to the former, but it's the latter that keep consoles successful overall. And when your as successful as the PS2 with the latter, you end up with some of the former as well. It's too early to tell whether or not Project Cafe will be a resounding success, but I believe Nintendo is going for a PS2-like strategy; coming off of a successful predecessor and aiming to be the right system at the right time for the market. |
A few problems with that, first off, the SNES was a failure for its time, the only reason that Genesis became such a strong competitor was because of Nintendo missteps.
The reason expanded audiences didn;t contiune to support he console was because Nintendo never followed through with the ideas of Wii Sports and Wii Fit, motion plus and the balance board got almost no support from Nintendo.
Nintendo will never enjoy the same level of third party support on Cafe that the PS2 saw, so the idea that Cafe will somehow emulate the PS2 is just wishful thinking, at best it will get ports and mediocre multiplats
again too early for these threads isn't it? I mean we haven't seen it in action or even have a full understanding what it is and what it does. SO who knows maybe they have stuff up their sleeves to knock us over at E3. So I say let's wait a bit and see. Too many doom and gloom posts
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Um, the SNES was far more sucessful when it comes to profits than all of the competitiors combined. I don't get it. You seem to have some hate or ignorance. Dude, life is OK, cheer up and be cool.
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| Aiddon said: -head meets desk. multiple times- I just...I don't. WHAT THE HELL???????? Why is this the only corner of the gaming net that emulates that strawman Malstrom? Jumping the gun there a bit, ain'tcha? I don't see any indication that Nintendo is "abandoning" their expanded audience. If you go by just the rumors it seems that all they're doing is getting third parties on board (though that's only if you go by the rumors of Cafe). |
You apparantly haven't been watching the Wii for the last 2-3 years if you think they have been supporting the expanded audience. Or the 3DS.
Yeah, because Nintendo has always enjoyed amazing third party support, I mean look at all the great third party support on the N64/GCN/Wii.
| FreeTalkLive said: Um, the SNES was far more sucessful when it comes to profits than all of the competitiors combined. I don't get it. You seem to have some hate or ignorance. Dude, life is OK, cheer up and be cool. |
I didn't say they were unprofitable, they were even profitable with the GCN, but they were in decline fro mthe NES, and continued to decline or the N64 and GCN, can you deny that? Its a fact, not ignorance.
| M.U.G.E.N said: again too early for these threads isn't it? I mean we haven't seen it in action or even have a full understanding what it is and what it does. SO who knows maybe they have stuff up their sleeves to knock us over at E3. So I say let's wait a bit and see. Too many doom and gloom posts |
I'm just wondering why people are being like this when Nintendo is the market leader. I didn't really see this happen when Sony was #1. The 3DS has barely been out for a month worldwide and most stuff about the next Nintendo system is rumor that probably just a bunch of wild hyperbole gone horribly wrong. Nintendo's been proving people wrong ever since 2004 so there's no reason for me to doubt them at this point
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