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epicberserk on 25 April 2011
Demotruk said:
Viper1 said:
Can you name me a list of western 3rd parties that supported the PC and Gensis but not the NES? 

And as I said, supporting the NES by western 3rd parties was slow at first not because of Nintendo or the NES itself but because of the crash of 1983.   Once the NEs proved it was a valid commercial entity, it was very well supported.  

And you are also forgetting that the Geneis didn't see WW release until 2007 anyway.  So your whole notion that the NES didn't see much western support until 2007 kinda fits in line with the whole concept that western 3rd parties didn't trust the home video game console market until it was proven viable.

AND, as I stated before, the whole concept of 3rd parties on a home console didn't even start until the NES.   It was a foreign concept to software developers in the west.


Microprose, LucasFilm (LucasArts didn't support NES till the 90's with a single game), System 3, Epyx, Firebird, Datasoft etc.

Can you name any more incumbents who did beyond EA and Activision?

 

Third parties had been developing on Atari for years, they didn't have a licencing model but it was still part of the business.

NES launched in 1985 and was extremely popular shortly after. It took years for Western support of any kind to arrive and that's in spite of lower development costs and short development cycles.

^^ this is true



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epicberserk on 25 April 2011
padib said:
gekkokamen said:
padib said:

Wii is platinum and it's not by accident. Given that it followed the DS experiment, here's what the former president and current Board Director at Nintendo had to say about it:

"The DS represents a critical moment for Nintendo's success over the next two years. If it succeeds, we rise to the heavens, if it fails, we sink into hell."

How's that for a doOmed post?

 


Bolded part: lol, whut?  how did the "Dolphin" revolutionize  gameplay exactly? 

Oh and the DS introduced the wiimote! Hey, thanks for the tidbit bro, you learn something new everyday....

Everyday man. Check this video dated 2005, time 25:30 to 26:00

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1565275578552560164#

DS was the test for the revolution. Also mentioned somewhat here (quoted below): 

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=280

Writer states: "In a sense, the DS is almost the epitome of Nintendo's vision for the future, which could explain why Hiroshi Yamauchi had said that Nintendo would be crushed if the machine fails in the market. Of course, if the DS were to fail in the market, this would not be enough to bring down Nintendo itself. However, it would definitely call the company's overall philosophy into question."

Looking back at that video just shows you the man's business genius in the games industry. No wonder the press release for the new console is so relaxed. You get a feel these people know exactly what they're doing, 20 steps ahead.

well the ds was their biggest handheld to date and the wii did what the ds line up did so who knows maybe they could have something here that will blow everyone away



superchunk on 25 April 2011
psrock said:
superchunk said:
Demotruk said:
superchunk said:

Huh...

NES, SNES, all Nintendo Handhelds had massive 3rd party support.

3DS shows this will continue (based on announced games) and I'm sure a powerful and similar N6 device will follow suite and allow 3rd parties a reason to jump into Nintendo's basket... along with whatever MS/Sony have.

Thing is with these increased costs, 3rd parties are forced to be multiplatform. This is why the greater majority of games are PS360/PC. They need a big userbase to make back the dev costs. Having a Nintendo system to ALSO port to will be automatic.

I think you are not considering the change in logic from exclusive to all multiplatform. Exclusivity among 3rd parties is essentially dead.


No, that's not true. The NES and SNES had no support from the major publishers of the time, of which only Activision and EA are still around. After two years they got support from smaller companies, because thankfully the barrier to entry was not very high at that time.

They only support Nintendo's handhelds when there is no alternative. Until the PSP was a clear software disaster they were still supporting it above DS and do so in Japan to this day (where DS was selling more hardware and software, even third party software for a long time).

What are you talking about?

NES SNES had every game possible that wasnt' 1st party from Sega (or other console). DS has also had all the games even with a relatively successful PSP.

Have you even looked at the long list of 3DS announced games and the list of 3rd parties?

Maybe I'm not understanding you clearly, you think the next Wii will get all the third party support because it started first, right? 

Let me help you, Nintendo can never be like PS2 in the console race. That's never happening again. Even now, I expect most 3rd party games to three way until the other two release their consoles. 

That's what I said. With Nintendo's next system being on par with PS360 and MSony's next systems, 3rd parties will put games on all systems. Obviously there will be the extreme rarity with a single game and potentially timed exclusive, but primarily 3rd parties will put games across all three.

I never argued for anyone getting exclusivity like PS2 did.



superchunk on 25 April 2011
Demotruk said:

I may have broke the thread...

 

Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games

List by year, almost everything released prior to 1987 was from Japan. Only in that year did Western support arise and that was mostly start ups like Acclaim.

Its also just after NES launched in NA. I'm betting that had more to do with it than anything else.

Fact is, as others have said in response to rol and those who quoted me, NES and SNES has full 3rd party support.

Wii is the only generational leader to every get ignored by 3rd parties. It even had a bigger lead than SNES and Wii was still ignored.

Only reasoning to why has to do with the great difference in base controller and power. If Wii was about the same power as PS360, it would have all the same ports and probably even be the lead dev console.



Viper1 on 25 April 2011
Demotruk said:
Viper1 said:
Can you name me a list of western 3rd parties that supported the PC and Gensis but not the NES? 

And as I said, supporting the NES by western 3rd parties was slow at first not because of Nintendo or the NES itself but because of the crash of 1983.   Once the NEs proved it was a valid commercial entity, it was very well supported.  

And you are also forgetting that the Geneis didn't see WW release until 2007 anyway.  So your whole notion that the NES didn't see much western support until 2007 kinda fits in line with the whole concept that western 3rd parties didn't trust the home video game console market until it was proven viable.

AND, as I stated before, the whole concept of 3rd parties on a home console didn't even start until the NES.   It was a foreign concept to software developers in the west.


Microprose, LucasFilm (LucasArts didn't support NES till the 90's with a single game), System 3, Epyx, Firebird, Datasoft etc.

Can you name any more incumbents who did beyond EA and Activision?

 

Third parties had been developing on Atari for years, they didn't have a licencing model but it was still part of the business.

NES launched in 1985 and was extremely popular shortly after. It took years for Western support of any kind to arrive and that's in spite of lower development costs and short development cycles. 1987 was only when start ups like Acclaim started to make NES games, and they were few and far between. It was still years later before significant Western support appeared.

Atari, Midway, Acclaim, Mindscape, Infogrames, Ocean Software, Milton Bradely, Mattel, Virgin Interactive, LJN, GameTek, Data East USA, Ultra Games, Absolute Entertainment, Williams Entertainment, Tradewest and on and on and on.


Microprose, the Telecomsoft labels, Datasoft and Epyx were all PC/ PC console developers...they didn't work on any consoles.  It wasn't that they didn't support the NES, they never supported any console.



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psrock on 25 April 2011
superchunk said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
Demotruk said:
superchunk said:

 


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What are you talking about?

NES SNES had every game possible that wasnt' 1st party from Sega (or other console). DS has also had all the games even with a relatively successful PSP.

Have you even looked at the long list of 3DS announced games and the list of 3rd parties?

Maybe I'm not understanding you clearly, you think the next Wii will get all the third party support because it started first, right? 

Let me help you, Nintendo can never be like PS2 in the console race. That's never happening again. Even now, I expect most 3rd party games to three way until the other two release their consoles. 

That's what I said. With Nintendo's next system being on par with PS360 and MSony's next systems, 3rd parties will put games on all systems. Obviously there will be the extreme rarity with a single game and potentially timed exclusive, but primarily 3rd parties will put games across all three.

I never argued for anyone getting exclusivity like PS2 did.

You are speaking of ports, but I swear you spoke as if they would have an adavantage over the next systems. But what's funny is , you think it will be on par with the next systems. 



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psrock on 25 April 2011
padib said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
Demotruk said:

What are you talking about?

NES SNES had every game possible that wasnt' 1st party from Sega (or other console). DS has also had all the games even with a relatively successful PSP.

Have you even looked at the long list of 3DS announced games and the list of 3rd parties?

Maybe I'm not understanding you clearly, you think the next Wii will get all the third party support because it started first, right? 

Let me help you, Nintendo can never be like PS2 in the console race. That's never happening again. Even now, I expect most 3rd party games to three way until the other two release their consoles. 

That's what I said. With Nintendo's next system being on par with PS360 and MSony's next systems, 3rd parties will put games on all systems. Obviously there will be the extreme rarity with a single game and potentially timed exclusive, but primarily 3rd parties will put games across all three.

I never argued for anyone getting exclusivity like PS2 did.

You are speaking of ports, but I swear you spoke as if they would have an adavantage over the next systems. But what's funny is , you think it will be on par with the next systems. 

Rumor has it that it will be significantly superior to the other consoles in graphical performance.

We also have plenty that says just barely superior. We'll have to wait. 



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superchunk on 25 April 2011
psrock said:
superchunk said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
Demotruk said:
superchunk said:

 


N

What are you talking about?

NES SNES had every game possible that wasnt' 1st party from Sega (or other console). DS has also had all the games even with a relatively successful PSP.

Have you even looked at the long list of 3DS announced games and the list of 3rd parties?

Maybe I'm not understanding you clearly, you think the next Wii will get all the third party support because it started first, right? 

Let me help you, Nintendo can never be like PS2 in the console race. That's never happening again. Even now, I expect most 3rd party games to three way until the other two release their consoles. 

That's what I said. With Nintendo's next system being on par with PS360 and MSony's next systems, 3rd parties will put games on all systems. Obviously there will be the extreme rarity with a single game and potentially timed exclusive, but primarily 3rd parties will put games across all three.

I never argued for anyone getting exclusivity like PS2 did.

You are speaking of ports, but I swear you spoke as if they would have an adavantage over the next systems. But what's funny is , you think it will be on par with the next systems. 

"par" is probably a poor choice of words. If you read my larger threads about this system I go into more detail, but in reality, I'm thinking it will be more like PS2 to Xbox. Meaning two things will happen next gen.

1. N6, Steam, or whatever it will be called will end roughly 3-5x more powerful than PS360.

2. neXtbox and PS4 will have a more moderate increase (lesson learned from dramatic losses due to huge increase from last gen) and be about 5-7x

This means that any game on PS360 or PS4/720 will be portable to N6 or the other way around depending on how devs define their development base.



Kynes on 25 April 2011
CGI-Quality said:

I'm also owed an apology from all those who doubted me when I said the next gen would start in 2012. Oh well, I'm sure I'll never get one!

In all seriousness, all this baby would need is one, just one, enticing title and I'm buying it day 1. Preferably a survival horror title (similar to jumping into this gen with the Xbox 360 and Condemned: Criminal Origins, or the last with the Gamecube and Resident Evil: REmake).


I thought that the next generation begins when Sony says so...

 

:trollface:



psrock on 25 April 2011
superchunk said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
psrock said:
superchunk said:
Demotruk said:
superchunk said:

 


N

What are you talking about?

NES SNES had every game possible that wasnt' 1st party from Sega (or other console). DS has also had all the games even with a relatively successful PSP.

Have you even looked at the long list of 3DS announced games and the list of 3rd parties?

 

d.

You are speaking of ports, but I swear you spoke as if they would have an adavantage over the next systems. But what's funny is , you think it will be on par with the next systems. 

"par" is probably a poor choice of words. If you read my larger threads about this system I go into more detail, but in reality, I'm thinking it will be more like PS2 to Xbox. Meaning two things will happen next gen.

1. N6, Steam, or whatever it will be called will end roughly 3-5x more powerful than PS360.

2. neXtbox and PS4 will have a more moderate increase (lesson learned from dramatic losses due to huge increase from last gen) and be about 5-7x

This means that any game on PS360 or PS4/720 will be portable to N6 or the other way around depending on how devs define their development base.

The same lesson Sony learned with the PSP, listen Nintendo chose to use again old tech on their systems, MS and Sony won't. They will use current GPU which way beyond 2005 version. If the next Wii is only 5 times more powerful than a 6 year console, don't expect the others to do the same or lesser. 



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