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BenVTrigger said:

I'm loveing seeing Nintendo bring out a new console and I think it certainly was time to.  I'm probably going to be buying on day 1 but...........

I'm still not sold on this controller concept at all, and in order for me to buy at launch it better have some quality software.  The 3DS launch lineup was VERY lackluster and is the only reason I still haven't bought one.



yea  same here the 3ds launch was terrible that why i waiting to buy the 3ds until zelda 3d remake comes out , so i hope the next console has a good launch line up , cuz if it lackluster then ill wait



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Demotruk said:

I may have broke the thread...

 

Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games

List by year, almost everything released prior to 1987 was from Japan. Only in that year did Western support arise and that was mostly start ups like Acclaim.

You do realize that could be in part because 90% of the software development market were Japanese develoeprs?

The crash of 1983 put most western develoeprs off from console support and geared their efforts toward PC and PC game consoles like the Commodore.   In Europe back in the 80's  PC and PC game consoles were the big item.  Regular game consoles didn't catch on for a while.

But as the popularity (and more importantly the commercial viability) of the NES proved itself, the western developer support followed.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

CGI-Quality said:

I'm also owed an apology from all those who doubted me when I said the next gen would start in 2012. Oh well, I'm sure I'll never get one!

In all seriousness, all this baby would need is one, just one, enticing title and I'm buying it day 1. Preferably a survival horror title (similar to jumping into this gen with the Xbox 360 and Condemned: Criminal Origins, or the last with the Gamecube and Resident Evil: REmake).



As awesome as that would be I highly doubt we'll see a survival horror title at launch.  I just don't see Nintendo doing that though I would be beyond happy too.

Though I do think its HIGHLY likely we see a Smash Bros game at launch with extensive online support, and honestly that alone will be enough to convince me to buy one



Viper1 said:
Demotruk said:

I may have broke the thread...

 

Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games

List by year, almost everything released prior to 1987 was from Japan. Only in that year did Western support arise and that was mostly start ups like Acclaim.

You do realize that could be in part because 90% of the software development market were Japanese develoeprs?

The crash of 1983 put most western develoeprs off from console support and geared their efforts toward PC and PC game consoles like the Commodore.   In Europe back in the 80's  PC and PC game consoles were the big item.  Regular game consoles didn't catch on for a while.

But as the popularity (and more importantly the commercial viability) of the NES proved itself, the western developer support followed.


There was a large Western industry, yes it was in turmoil but as you say they ultimately chose PC above NES, which is precisely my point, that in every circumstance the existant industry has failed to support Nintendo.

Of all those only Activision and eventually EA made games for it, but when they could they supported Sega more. Every other Western developer that developed for NES was a start up who made their names on NES, the vast majority of which happened many years after the NES was a runaway success.

Even the major Japanese supporters were largely either start-ups like Capcom or existant companies from other industries like Konami (which only started producing games in 1982).



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

Demotruk said:
Viper1 said:
Demotruk said:

I may have broke the thread...

 

Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_games

List by year, almost everything released prior to 1987 was from Japan. Only in that year did Western support arise and that was mostly start ups like Acclaim.

You do realize that could be in part because 90% of the software development market were Japanese develoeprs?

The crash of 1983 put most western develoeprs off from console support and geared their efforts toward PC and PC game consoles like the Commodore.   In Europe back in the 80's  PC and PC game consoles were the big item.  Regular game consoles didn't catch on for a while.

But as the popularity (and more importantly the commercial viability) of the NES proved itself, the western developer support followed.


There was a strong Western industry, yes it was in turmoil but as you say they ultimately chose PC above NES, which is precisely my point, that in every circumstance the existant industry has failed to support Nintendo.

Of all those only Activision and eventually EA made games for it, but when they could they supported Sega more. Every other Western developer that developed for NES was a start up who made their names on NES, the vast majority of which happened many years after the NES was a runaway success.

Even the major Japanese supporters were largely either start-ups like Capcom or existant companies from other industries like Konami (which only started producing games in 1982).

Can you name me a list of western 3rd parties that supported the PC and Gensis but not the NES? 

And as I said, supporting the NES by western 3rd parties was slow at first not because of Nintendo or the NES itself but because of the crash of 1983.   Once the NEs proved it was a valid commercial entity, it was very well supported.  

And you are also forgetting that the Geneis didn't see WW release until 2007 anyway.  So your whole notion that the NES didn't see much western support until 2007 kinda fits in line with the whole concept that western 3rd parties didn't trust the home video game console market until it was proven viable.

AND, as I stated before, the whole concept of 3rd parties on a home console didn't even start until the NES.   It was a foreign concept to software developers in the west.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

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sweet!



RolStoppable said:
Viper1 said:

You do realize that could be in part because 90% of the software development market were Japanese develoeprs?

The crash of 1983 put most western develoeprs off from console support and geared their efforts toward PC and PC game consoles like the Commodore.   In Europe back in the 80's  PC and PC game consoles were the big item.  Regular game consoles didn't catch on for a while.

But as the popularity (and more importantly the commercial viability) of the NES proved itself, the western developer support followed.

I don't think that's how it went down. It wasn't that the NES proved itself as a viable platform, it was that the home computers of that time proved themselves as not viable platforms. If it weren't for the home computers failing left and right, the Western developer community would have sticked with them.

They did stick with them in Europe.  Very heavily.  Look at the sales of PC consoles and video game consoles in Europe and the US during that period.  It's night and day.  Why stick with the same rpoducts in Europe but not America?  Becuase that was how the market dicated things.   Americans wanted video game consoles, Europeans wanted PC consoles.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

RolStoppable said:
Viper1 said:

You do realize that could be in part because 90% of the software development market were Japanese develoeprs?

The crash of 1983 put most western develoeprs off from console support and geared their efforts toward PC and PC game consoles like the Commodore.   In Europe back in the 80's  PC and PC game consoles were the big item.  Regular game consoles didn't catch on for a while.

But as the popularity (and more importantly the commercial viability) of the NES proved itself, the western developer support followed.

I don't think that's how it went down. It wasn't that the NES proved itself as a viable platform, it was that the home computers of that time proved themselves as not viable platforms. If it weren't for the home computers failing left and right, the Western developer community would have sticked with them.


They did stick with them, and they died. EA and Activision are the only ones who made the transition.

Almost all the major third parties that survive till today started into gaming in the mid eighties or later; Ubisoft, Capcom, Konami, Squaresoft etc. (not gonna list out all the later ones..)



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

how much will the n6 cost that what im wondering 400 ?



Viper1 said:
Can you name me a list of western 3rd parties that supported the PC and Gensis but not the NES? 

And as I said, supporting the NES by western 3rd parties was slow at first not because of Nintendo or the NES itself but because of the crash of 1983.   Once the NEs proved it was a valid commercial entity, it was very well supported.  

And you are also forgetting that the Geneis didn't see WW release until 2007 anyway.  So your whole notion that the NES didn't see much western support until 2007 kinda fits in line with the whole concept that western 3rd parties didn't trust the home video game console market until it was proven viable.

AND, as I stated before, the whole concept of 3rd parties on a home console didn't even start until the NES.   It was a foreign concept to software developers in the west.


Microprose, LucasFilm (LucasArts didn't support NES till the 90's with a single game), System 3, Epyx, Firebird, Datasoft etc.

Can you name any more incumbents who did beyond EA and Activision?

 

Third parties had been developing on Atari for years, they didn't have a licencing model but it was still part of the business.

NES launched in 1985 and was extremely popular shortly after. It took years for Western support of any kind to arrive and that's in spite of lower development costs and short development cycles. 1987 was only when start ups like Acclaim started to make NES games, and they were few and far between. It was still years later before significant Western support appeared.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.