not really, people have to have proof of purchase otherwise anyone could just buy a pre-owned ps3 and claim 100 euros and that would be an easy way to get a cheap ps3 at the expense of sony.

im guessing hardly anyone who really cares about other OS will still have their reciepts. most people wont even go for a refund because they dont care and never even used other OS.

I had heard somewheres that old systems were being used as 'dev-kits' and they were able to track that which led them to shut the servers down.

Now obviously don't quote me entirely on this claim, it was simply something I had either seen on google or the forums across various sites. Obviously if these hacked consoles are being traced as 'dev-kits' it's pretty much what you guys mentioned above. Being able to download free content etc. But at the same time - if the console was being read as a dev kit..would they have been able to release custom patches for various games like Socom 4 and Mortal Kombat?

It's all really a big mystery at this point and time until there's official word from Sony. I'm not freaking out about whether any of my account information was breached or not, I just don't need stress like that right now. I'm sure being patient will pay off in the end, and we'll be getting some of the answers we're looking for very soon.

Oh please it will be over in a week and Sony will come out with a more secure system and everyone knows it, if anything they are flushing the people out 

If it was that easy... I'd think the PSP would be more secure.  Wouldn't you?

Or every other system would do the same.   What makes you think Sony is god's gift to security programming?

At this point, I think it's pretty safe to say they are NOT god's gift to security programming.

/justwantstoplayportal

I don't even think Hotz is on their mind anymore. They are too busy cleaning their pants.

They kept hackers off the ps3 for a record amount of time, and if I am to understand the psp situation it was hardware not software that was hacked and Sony didn't do any fighting for it so what makes you think they can't?

They kept hacekrs off ps3 for a record amount of time for the same reason Apple did with the Mac.  It's the best DRM there is.  It's called low marketshare.

Once the PS3 got more successful, hackers started paying attention and it was hacked.

What makes me think Sony can't?  Well that would be because they lost their master signing key... which turns out to not be random... even though it's suppsoed to be.

That's what was hacked. 

A master signing key is basically, the key that comes with the console at launch that tells sony made products from non sony products.  The products that are official get there own "key".

Normal hacks, cause the system to not do it's "authentication check."  It's easy to upgrade your firmware and change how the system does it's authentication heck.

This hack, causes the system to not know what is a sony game and what isn't... and you can't change the master key because if you did... every product BEFORE you changed the key would stop working on the PS3. 

Master Keys are pretty much NEVER hacked, because it's near impossible to do because the number is random with each product, meaning you'd need a LARGE LARGE LARGE sample of keys from different products and probably a powerful computer to run the numbers.  It'd be a lot of effort for no game.

Sony, didn't use a random number with each product.

So it took 3 keys... and a pencil and paper.  This is why I think Sony can't do it.

and yet still no hackers on psn and no pirates, the updates stopped them and the low market share is just pure bs, ps3 sold more in its first year then 360 did and 360 was hacked in its first year 

Er.  360 had 100% Market share it's first year.

No hackers and pirates on PSN, well considering there are no legitamite people on PSN either, i'm not surprised.

As for that though i'll direct people to you  you everytime i get someone bitching about why they think Hotz was wrong because of all the hackers and pirates they claim plague online... and that online is worse then PC and 360.

So you can decide between you which of you is making stuff up to support your point.  I mean, if there are no hackers or pirates anymore, sony must REALLY regret going after GeoHotz.

Since they're entire PSN network got taken down by hackers twice, they lost customer information and they spent MILLIONS of dollars prosecuting him.

When what he did was already all cleaned up and made better.  Sounds like sueing your neighbor because he spilled some soda on your table and you needed to wipe it up with a rag.

I mean... Sony's lackluster security is responsible for what analyists think might be the BIGGEST breach in the history of such breaches.

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/26/6539290-why-the-playstation-network-breach-is-scary

You still really want to tout their security credentials as being far superior to Microsoft and Nintendos?