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Wonktonodi on 22 April 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

theprof00 said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4014861

 

1. You are saying not true to me agreeing with you that him saying something doesn't make it so. That is a contradiction. First you said it. Then you said it wasn't when I agreed with it. Something is then something is not.

Now for an example on more detailed explanation. What I gave was some possibilities that seemed likely to me that would be the case for heph to say what he said and thus make me sad. That was giving you more detail. Now if your that's not true was directed at this instead of the first part of the post it would still be wrong in addition to making no sense. You can say they are bad reasons to be sad, or unlikely possibilities but calling them wrong and disagreeing makes no sense because they are the reasons that I felt the way I did.

So since it's hard for me to think that you are stupid I'm thinking you're more likely scum

Also, NO NO NO NO NO. I wasn't responding to the first sentence "just because I say so doesn't make it true". I was responding the whole post.

Why would I respond to ONE sentence with my first sentence?


So then you were just being stupid for calling the reasons why I felt something wrong and just brought up other possibilities as proof that those aren't the reasons why I felt that?



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Wonktonodi on 22 April 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

theprof00 said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4014861

3. the story is that I'm sad because of him thinking it's not a vanilla game. The fact you are trying to turn a more detailed explanation into a contradiction is troubling. You are smart enough to know the difference, yet your are trying to use is as evidence. But in case you don't here is a simple lesson. Lets take a look at your point one.

No, dude, you said, you were afraid of getting taken out. If you really meant a hundred other things besides getting "taken out", then you should've said that. I would've completely accepted if you said, "I MEANT to say these many other things". But you didn't. You ignored it, and pushed your point like you were right.


go back to the post where I first answer your question of why it made me sad. Did I have more than one reason? Oh, yes I did. Was one of them how they have more luck? Why yes, it was, Now would any other roll screwing things up like bussing and role blocking fit into that? Yes. So the best you can complain about is the number I chose to put that part of the answer in.

I don't care about your response to me. You initially said differently. I used your response as the contradiction.

jeez louise


So since you can't actualy prove it, you say you don't care. I called you out on something Refered you to the post and you still refuse to see it. Guess you need me to quote it as well.



theprof00 on 22 April 2011

ok, sorry, you were right, I was thinking the following response.

Still. I don't see how "I'm afraid of getting taken out" has anything to do with "involves more luck", in the sense of bussing etc, unless you are being unreasonably paranoid.



Linkzmax on 22 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:

1. If he's scum,(plain goon or power) you should be happy as town because that implication could be later used as evidence against him. There are plenty of good players, which doesn't put Heph at the top of the list. If he is town,(and btw I should state that I lean scum on him) then implying he is power while only vanilla means he's higher on the target list for a kill(or possible roleblock) which leaves the actual town powers able to do their thing.

3. You shouldn't be worried about being taken out by a jester. A bomb is more something a mafiasi would worry about. I don't care to look up a super saint. A godfather is a perfectly good counter to a cop, and brings the game back to reasoning rather than relying on night actions, which you seem to want.

I'll focus on these two for now

1. If he's scum I wouldn't be happy because I've seen him get away with it and going after him once helped get me killed. Plenty of good players maybe but if scum have to make a decision between good players I'm sure they would go towards one who they think has a role.

3. With the jester not being taken out but loosing because he wins. I think there are also mafia bombs maybe not. You might not care but the super saint is someone who kills the person who hammers them, would rather not have that in the game. A godfather is one thing. Last game had 4! In addition to there being 2 cults that could make it so that someone scanned could then have their alignment change. I'm not bitter. Oh wait I am. That wasn't going to be something where reasoning could have me win. That was if I got lucky and got into a cult or got lucky and both cults got wiped out.

I'm ok with balanced that make more reasoning needed. I would have loved to have been a mason in noname's game. Heck even a mason in hephs game would have been better than being the doomed cop.

I think I'm rambling aren't I

1. The time you went after him, you were both town and I used that as scum to help get you lynched. If you are town and he is scum then your going after him has no negatives to it, even if you die somehow. Your second sentence is saying exactly the same thing I was saying.

3. I severly doubt that hat would include a jester, and even if he did it likely isn't an exclusive win condition. Meaning if the jester gets lynched you can still win too. A mafia bomb would be an absolutely horrendous role, since the whole point of Mafia is to get scum lynched.(or avoid it if scum) Those and a super saint just make it seem like you'll be paranoid to lynch anyone this entire game. Stop dwelling on the last game, you didn't fail as the cop because the round was far too imbalanced against you.

I believe you are rambling, I couldn't make any sense of the end of your previous post to prof.



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Linkzmax on 22 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:

Linkzmax said:

Nevermind, remembered the religious stuff. Still, I hope you can pop in with some thoughts and place a vote.

I voted a long time ago and I don't recall even unvoting. I think it's just that the votals are wrong.

Yep, you're right. I just thought you unvoted since hat's votals didn't have you with one.



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Linkzmax on 22 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:

oh yeah I hated that too! super short days even less time for skill so that is a plus for this game :D

I was missing the short days actually. Everyone seemed more active then, this round it's like everyone is just waiting.



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Wonktonodi on 22 April 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:


You doubting vanilla makes me sad though.

Why does that make you sad?
I believe you said that complexity makes it a harder decision to lynch on day 1. 

So, you are sad that a day 1 won't happen?


for a few reasons, him not thinking vanilla and having a role probably meas he got a non vanilla role and thus would be able to say that it isn't.

because nonvanilla games have much more luck

and because if more people have strong roles I might just get taken out again  victim of an improper balance to the force :P

1. that's very doubtful. Just because someone *implies* that they have a role doesn't make it so. Remember, mafia is a game about deception. There have been more than a few times where I have acted in a way to draw attention, and others do it too.

2. That's debateable. THe vanilla games we've been playing still had cops and docs, and they are the most influential roles, and completely luck based. (in a way) Keep in mind that roles such as watcher, tracker, etc don't ever see the whole picture.

3. Or maybe you'll get scanned? Or maybe protected like when hat bodyguarded you. I don't see why you're so "worried" about getting taken out.. If anything, the only thing you should be afraid of, as town, is a mafia kill, and that's in every game, not just powered up ones. And yes, I am implying that you're not town. I don't like your answers at all (specifically the last one, though). The first two show very superficial thought processes, almost like you came up with them on the fly.

unvote

vote: wonk

Now prof here has several of the posts before we started cutting out the old posts. Note the things I've bolded.

I was answering the sad question and ignoring the loaded questions. But with my answer I say for a few reasons. For some reason you seem to have forgotten them and gotten all focused on the taken out part.

You seem to be missing the part about me not liking there being more luck

and my complaint about being a victom of bad balance in the last game.

and the biggest thing you seem to keep missing is these are reasons for me feeling something you can disagree with the logic that lead me to feel it but calling it wrong is just dumb.



Linkzmax on 22 April 2011
A Bad Player said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Sorry for the huge reduction in my posting lately.

Slow game, tons of work, taxes (argh!) and wanting to try out Portal 2 cut down on my Mafia time, Easter weekend isn't going to help either.

Anyways, my position hasn't changed much. In fact, I'm more than happy with my vote on A Bad Clown, not only has he been showing off some pretty strong scum tells, he's been totally uncooperative when questionned.

He has yet to reply something decent to Linkz's questionning, to accusations of skimming the thread, he hasn't answered my simple query for some explanation to what he meant in this post : http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4013366

All we got was a avatar control bet (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4014368) and even more signs he doesn't read the thread carefully (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4016023).

Disregard the 2 pages I had with linkz telling him a day one lynch with this many players is a stupid idea...

Please do, because stupid paranoia was already countered by sound logic which shows that a day one lynch is a better option than no lynch.

How many players is the right amount for a day one lynch, ABC?



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Wonktonodi on 22 April 2011
theprof00 said:

ok, sorry, you were right, I was thinking the following response.

Still. I don't see how "I'm afraid of getting taken out" has anything to do with "involves more luck", in the sense of bussing etc, unless you are being unreasonably paranoid.

Thank you.

They aren't tied together but they aren't mutual exclusive either. More luck from my perspective is a bad thing. I'm very unlucky.

I am a little paranoid but I think it's reasonable given the history I've developed with heph :P



theprof00 on 22 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:


You doubting vanilla makes me sad though.

Why does that make you sad?
I believe you said that complexity makes it a harder decision to lynch on day 1. 

So, you are sad that a day 1 won't happen?


for a few reasons, him not thinking vanilla and having a role probably meas he got a non vanilla role and thus would be able to say that it isn't.

because nonvanilla games have much more luck

and because if more people have strong roles I might just get taken out again  victim of an improper balance to the force :P

1. that's very doubtful. Just because someone *implies* that they have a role doesn't make it so. Remember, mafia is a game about deception. There have been more than a few times where I have acted in a way to draw attention, and others do it too.

2. That's debateable. THe vanilla games we've been playing still had cops and docs, and they are the most influential roles, and completely luck based. (in a way) Keep in mind that roles such as watcher, tracker, etc don't ever see the whole picture.

3. Or maybe you'll get scanned? Or maybe protected like when hat bodyguarded you. I don't see why you're so "worried" about getting taken out.. If anything, the only thing you should be afraid of, as town, is a mafia kill, and that's in every game, not just powered up ones. And yes, I am implying that you're not town. I don't like your answers at all (specifically the last one, though). The first two show very superficial thought processes, almost like you came up with them on the fly.

unvote

vote: wonk

Now prof here has several of the posts before we started cutting out the old posts. Note the things I've bolded.

I was answering the sad question and ignoring the loaded questions. But with my answer I say for a few reasons. For some reason you seem to have forgotten them and gotten all focused on the taken out part.

You seem to be missing the part about me not liking there being more luck

and my complaint about being a victom of bad balance in the last game.

and the biggest thing you seem to keep missing is these are reasons for me feeling something you can disagree with the logic that lead me to feel it but calling it wrong is just dumb.

I'M ARGUING WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OUTING A FUCKING ROLE

(possibly)