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Viper1 said:
Galaki said:

I would like them to go cartridge again, though.

Which is a distinct possiblity.  The 3DS uses them with up to 8 GB of capacity.  With falling flash memory prices, I don't see why the N6 couldn't use 16 or even 32 GB flash RAM carts.


Regardless of how much the price falls  flash memory will always be far more expensive than blank BR disc.

A quick check show me I will pay around £15.00 for a 16GB of any given flash format. For £15.00 I can get a blank 50GB BR-Disc and pay much less for a smaller capacity disc.

From that you can make an educated guess at the production cost and what gives you a bigger bang for your buck.

This is one of the reasons manufacturers drop cartridges in the first place although they do have advantages.

At a time when keeping costs down is vital flash will add to the cost of the game.  If the article is correct then Nintendo also thinks Discs are the best option.



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I hope it's true, and I hope it plays movies, because I really want Blu-ray to take off. It is just so much better than DVD, and I like having physical media rather than download my movies. That said, I doubt this will happen...



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It would be nice if they went back to cartridges just for the loading times. You can get 8gb sdhc cards for as low as 9 dollars. But that's still a lot of extra cost (in materials and construction) compared to stamping a blu-ray or dvd. It would raise the retail price of the games by about 10 dollars I think. And it still needs a drive to maintain backwards compatibility.

If they go with blu-ray it will be a faster drive. ps3 only has 2x speed while you can get 12x speed drives already. A 6x speed for the wii2 would be feasible.

It would be nice if you can enable blu-ray movie playback by paying a one time fee. Give the consumer the choice to upgrade by downloading a software update to activate blue-ray playback. Similar to how it is now when you enable wma playback on ps3, connect to the internet to download the codec from microsoft. It probably won't happen though, since the industry will be afraid someone will hack the activation and distribute the software update for free.



Zekkyou said:

Said on IGN its aparently a bit more power and a ps3 of 360 because nintendo want to "re capture the hardcore market"... if there try to do that by improving graphics then there fucked xD ps4 and 720 are oing to be absalute power houses is epic are correct with there predictions (they where last gen)


You forget diminishing returns. For most people a certain quality of graphics is already good enough. That number of people will only get larger next gen, already this gen we had a bunch of people satisfied with PS2 levels.

Also, for the style of character Nintendo makes, it doesn't make sense to have the graphics be a lot better. To a degree, the characters will look the same as they would on much more powerful systems.



This will eliminate my chances of getting a PS3 if true. I went to my friends place to play both Uncharted games and God of War, which were my most anticipated PS3 titles outside of MGS4 and Demon Souls (which sequel is coming to the 360.)

If the Wii2 has blu-ray I'll have no further reason to get a PS3. But thats just my take on it.



It's just that simple.

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binary solo said:

What's the rationale behind not enabling movie play back? Seems kinda dumb to have Blu-ray but tell prospective buyers that if they want to enjoy HD movies they'll need to buy a separate device. People might then think, well I might as well get a PS3.

I suppose if it means they can launch at $250 it could be worth not having it.


They will economize like $3...not $50.



FinalEvangelion said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
FinalEvangelion said:
Games4Fun said:
FinalEvangelion said:

 

Gaming site Maxconsole.net, citing information leaked to Logic-Sunrise.com by a Nintendo France marketing employee, is reporting that a new Nintendo console will be launched worldwide in the third quarter of 2010. This "Wii 2" will reportedly get a Blu-ray drive, and support 1080p for games and movies.

An official announcement will reportedly happen just one month before launch date. In the intervening months, "huge publicity and viral marketing will be utilized to create buzz" (so this post is ultimately contributing to that, right? Damned if you do...).

Allegedly, there will be the option to trade in old Wii's for "Wii 2" consoles.

This rumor comes just after Nintendo's profit fell by more than half in the six months from April, hit by a slump in console sales (it sold 5.75m Wiis between April and September, far fewer than the 10m it shifted in the same period last year).

Some analysts are suggesting that a completely new console offers its best hope of reviving hardware sales.

Sony, on the other hand, has benefited from a reduction in the price of the PS3. "The price cut on the PlayStation 3 was effective because people are getting a high spec Blu-ray disc player for a good price," said Yusuke Tsunoda, an analyst at Tokai Tokyo Securities.

 

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3617

 

My guess is it will be using the Blu-ray technology - but some variation like Wii did with DVD.


2010 is past


My mistake.  Edited it with the more recent article.


Because of the older article, I'm calling more wishful thinking on the part of the Wii haters.


Are you calling me a Wii hater?  That's news to me.  I've been critical at times - but I don't consider myself a hater by any means.

 

Does it really matter if they use Blu-ray in the end?  Blu-ray is more owned by Panasonic than Sony FYI.


Oops. I meant those who are writing all these rumor articles.



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Viper1 said:
Zekkyou said:
Viper1 said:

I doubt the new consoles from Sony and Microsoft will be much more powerful than their current systems.  It certainly won't be the same as the jump we saw from PS2 and Xbox to PS3 and X360.  Not even close.

Epic would beg to differ with you ^^ and considering so far all there graphics based predictions have come true i trust them :P 

they released a tech demo of the unreal engine 4 and how they belive it will look on ps4 / 720. lest just say it was much larger jump than ps2 to 360 xD

I've seen the demo.  It is basically their UE3 with DX11 shaders added.  It also took 3 GeForce 580 GPU's to render it.  Sony and MS's next console will not have the same graphical muscle as 3 GeForce 580's. 

As for it being a larger jump from the current systems than the PS3/X360 were from the PS2/Xbox?   You're the only person I've come across to believe that.  And I speak to gamers and developers everyday.


*Looks at viper's profuile sees nothing but nintendo games* oh i see ;) no point arguing is there ;D I asume all those gamers and "developers" (rofl) are not ps3 or 360 user

If we asume that sony is correct that next gen wont start for the HD consols until 2014 or 15 then 3 gtx 580's isnt that impossible to see. If u read the origonal thread about the UE4 qwith the tech demo u will find many epople (with alot of expiraicne in PC gameing) saying that it was actualy not that far away having graphics card that powerfull at afordable prices. The only problem they have is the heat which is quickly imporiving (look at the gtx 570. incredably powerfull hard that can run crysis maxed out at 70C).

So dont acuse me of being the only one who things the jump will be just as if not bigger when there is an entire thread with people saying the same thing ;)



I hope they use UMD instead just for the Lulz...Haha



Red4ADevil said:

@ digitalnasties I was thinking the same thing. So far nobody has mentioned this. But if you think about it, isnt holoraphic storage still a working progress? last time I remember they still pretty pricey to mass produce for the general market.

I mentioned it several times in one of the other threads.  I'd really love to see them take that route. 

justinian said:
Viper1 said:

Which is a distinct possiblity.  The 3DS uses them with up to 8 GB of capacity.  With falling flash memory prices, I don't see why the N6 couldn't use 16 or even 32 GB flash RAM carts.


Regardless of how much the price falls  flash memory will always be far more expensive than blank BR disc.

A quick check show me I will pay around £15.00 for a 16GB of any given flash format. For £15.00 I can get a blank 50GB BR-Disc and pay much less for a smaller capacity disc.

I'm looking from a different perspective.   No mechanical drive.  Mecahnical drives are the leading cause of all console errors in Nintendo home consoles since the introduction fo the GC.  Granted it is still fewer than other consoles.   By going back to cartrdiges you eliminate a huge error prone component.

Further still you gain the ability to read and write, much faster access speeds, faster transfer speeds, a quiter and cooler system, lower FEC and UL fees, etc....   Sounds like a decent trade off to me.  And if the ystem can do procedrual texturing, you won't need masssive capacity anyway.

Zekkyou said:
Viper1 said:

I've seen the demo.  It is basically their UE3 with DX11 shaders added.  It also took 3 GeForce 580 GPU's to render it.  Sony and MS's next console will not have the same graphical muscle as 3 GeForce 580's. 

As for it being a larger jump from the current systems than the PS3/X360 were from the PS2/Xbox?   You're the only person I've come across to believe that.  And I speak to gamers and developers everyday.


*Looks at viper's profuile sees nothing but nintendo games* oh i see ;) no point arguing is there ;D I asume all those gamers and "developers" (rofl) are not ps3 or 360 user

If we asume that sony is correct that next gen wont start for the HD consols until 2014 or 15 then 3 gtx 580's isnt that impossible to see. If u read the origonal thread about the UE4 qwith the tech demo u will find many epople (with alot of expiraicne in PC gameing) saying that it was actualy not that far away having graphics card that powerfull at afordable prices. The only problem they have is the heat which is quickly imporiving (look at the gtx 570. incredably powerfull hard that can run crysis maxed out at 70C).

So dont acuse me of being the only one who things the jump will be just as if not bigger when there is an entire thread with people saying the same thing ;)

We can look at the PS3 and X360's release period and compare them to to the power of 3 top of the line GPU's from 3-4 years prior.   PS3 wouldn't match the fill rate of 3 high end cards from 2002-2003.  Not even close.

As for me being a Nintendo fan, it's irrelevant.  I co-own a media network with 35,000 members (90% PS3 fans) and being media I speak with developers all the time.   And my statement was not an accusation which would be a suggestion that you inteionally did somethign wrong.  But merely an observation that still to this point, you are the only one I've spoken to that believes the jump from PS3/X360 to the next generation will be larger than the jump from PS2/Xbox to current generation.   You might want to talk with some publishers about how the feel about their budgets skyrocketing again.



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