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Kasz216 on 13 April 2011
greenmedic88 said:
steverhcp02 said:
 


Whats great about this post is the bulk of these things AND current features like netflix, huluplus, MLBTV the VidZone were all ADDED in subsequent firmware cases yet you act as if Sony goes around slashing features daily or weekly and sticking it to consumers. Seriously.

Taking away BC was hardware, nothing to do to EXISTING owners. The only thing removed via software was OtherOS no matter how you slice it or argue a very minute population cared/used, yet you continue to conveniently ignore the multitude of features added for FREE that the vast majority of us and users use frequently, like the aforementioned in my post.

Bottomline is yeah it sucks for the small percentage otherOS was removed but acting like its some earth shattering, PS3 ruining event is borderline insanity and a freaking joke of an argument.

Yeah we go out on a limb and trust Sony not to gimp our system but any consumer that feels damned this generation by losing OtherOS and gaining everything else is an idiot.

I don't think most people are even aware of this, but officially, Open Platform (OtherOS) is still supported on pre-CECH 2000 models running pre 3.21 firmware (1.6 to 3.15).

http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/manual.html

http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

What's not supported is any version of PS3 firmware that isn't the most current. That's one thing SCE isn't obligated to provide as long as they keep distributing current versions for free.

Of course anyone who already upgraded firmware to 3.21 or later already agreed that they were giving up OtherOS functionality, so this only pertains to pre-CECH 2000 models that were never updated past 3.15.

Naturally, the trade off for using unsupported (not current) firmware is that post 3.21 firmware games may not be supported, and naturally PSN is not supported on earlier firmware versions.

But if one had legitmate use for running Linux on a PS3 (cluster computing, CBE development, etc.) on their 1.6 to 3.15 firmware console, they still can. The loss in OtherOS support in post 3.15 firmware updates has no effect on consoles running firmware 1.6 to 3.15. They can still run Linux. 

You just can't have your cake and eat it too (ie. demand to be able to play a current game on an earlier version of PS3 firmware that doesn't support various functions added in later firmware versions).

No.  Actually, you can.

That's exactly why a lot of people think sony might lose the case.

Sony promised the ability to play PS3 games and use Other OS at purchase.

They then forced you to remove one of those features.

That is a direct violation of consumer protection laws.

 

Hence why Sony's defense has been reduced too "But the warranty is up, so i mean, your PS3 might not even be working now!  Therefore we can remove whatever we feel like, because we haven't even guranteed your PS3 will work at all!"

Well that and

"Well it's not us, it's our parent corporation you have to sue!"



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dsister on 13 April 2011

That's not fair. They pulled OtherOS support from me before my warranty was up :( 



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Kasz216 on 13 April 2011
dsister said:

That's not fair. They pulled OtherOS support from me before my warranty was up :( 

Well, you should definitly join the lawsuit then.



dsister on 13 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:

That's not fair. They pulled OtherOS support from me before my warranty was up :( 

Well, you should definitly join the lawsuit then.


haha, how do I? 



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Kasz216 on 13 April 2011
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:

That's not fair. They pulled OtherOS support from me before my warranty was up :( 

Well, you should definitly join the lawsuit then.


haha, how do I? 

Not sure honestly.  What i hate most about the "modern" internet and all these news aggregate sources is it's often a pain in the ass to find some specific information because you end up with 30-100 of the same article in the search engine.

If anything when the case is settled there should be information on how to claim your check... that's how class action stuff works.  Technically anyone with an old should be able to collect once it's settled.

I wouldn't though soley because I don't care about Other OS.

Plust it'll probably be like... 5 bucks after all the laywer fees ha.

Could always find the law office responsible and call.



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dsister on 13 April 2011
Kasz216 said:

Not sure honestly.  What i hate most about the "modern" internet and all these news aggregate sources is it's often a pain in the ass to find some specific information because you end up with 30-100 of the same article in the search engine.

If anything when the case is settled there should be information on how to claim your check... that's how class action stuff works.  Technically anyone with an old should be able to collect once it's settled.

I wouldn't though soley because I don't care about Other OS.

Plust it'll probably be like... 5 bucks after all the laywer fees ha.

Could always find the law office responsible and call.

Bah, if it's  only money then I don't care. I much rather have my OtherOS back :(. 

Thanks for the info though ^^ 



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Kasz216 on 13 April 2011
dsister said:
Kasz216 said:

Not sure honestly.  What i hate most about the "modern" internet and all these news aggregate sources is it's often a pain in the ass to find some specific information because you end up with 30-100 of the same article in the search engine.

If anything when the case is settled there should be information on how to claim your check... that's how class action stuff works.  Technically anyone with an old should be able to collect once it's settled.

I wouldn't though soley because I don't care about Other OS.

Plust it'll probably be like... 5 bucks after all the laywer fees ha.

Could always find the law office responsible and call.

Bah, if it's  only money then I don't care. I much rather have my OtherOS back :(. 

Thanks for the info though ^^ 


Yeah... they rarely ever force a company to rectify it's mistakes.  It's one of the reasons the justice system is broken when it comes to corporations.



Max King of the Wild on 14 April 2011
Hapimeses said:
ChichiriMuyo said:

Oh god, I want to archive this whole thread given the number of people who think that Sony won this and that GeoHot gave up because he knew he'd lose.  It'd be a crow banquent the next time a case like this comes up, given the  jailbreaking case that set precedent for users hacking devices they own. 

It's like some people can't imagine that Sony got the best deal they could have ever hoped for here and that they, based on precedent, would have actually lost the case if it ever went to the supreme court. 

Sure, they put some meaningless restriction on GeoHot so he couldn't hack their devices, and he proved that hackers can end up having way more power than Sony can actually tackle because legal precedent is against them.  It's not illegal to jailbreak your iphone by court order, just imagine if Sony lost this case and hacking a PS3 wasn't illegal by order of the court as well. 

Sony didn't have him by the balls, they offered him the chance to walk away without years of battling that would have ended up against their favor.  A compromise.  And one that isn't going to help Sony in the future.

Whatever makes you sleep at night. Do you really think Hotz gave up because he was sure he would win? Really? And are you trying to tell me a jailbreaking case for iPhone based on understandable competition issues bears any similarity to a console where there are no similar competition issues at all? Do you know anything about the iPhone case at all? As it stands, it appears you do not. The PS3 case is in a completely different position, legally, than the iPhone. Or so I've read -- I'm certainly no expert, either.



George had "Enough to cover legal fees and then some" according to him about his donations. He wouldn't have cared how long the battle lasted if his lawyer was basically free. His lawyer probably worked this deal out for him... And if the lawyer was working and knew he was set he wouldn't care how long it went on either... No sounds to me like the lawyer knew geohot would be facing a big charge if not settled as quickly as possible. Also, sounds to me like geohot is bitter with sony. If he got a good deal and laughed about how he got away with it why would he have this resentment towards them?



fordy on 20 April 2011
Xen said:

The people buying products that are at prices always higher than their competitors' are not that stupid.


They are if the only reason why they buy electronics is by brand alone. Seriously, I know quite a few people who stubbornly buy Sony products all the time, and refuse to buy anything else, even if it breaks on them a couple of years later. That is all that Sony's hanging on with right now, brand recognition left over from the 1970s. It's not going to last forever either, considering the failure rate of some of their newer stuff (somebody care to give me the name of a console before the PSX that required to be flipped upside down when it got too hot?)



fordy on 20 April 2011
thismeintiel said:

You do have to laugh at the same exact people in here trying to spin this as a loss for Sony.  Come on.  Is your dislike for Sony that strong?  I bet if it was the 360/Wii, a lot of you would be like, "You go MS/Nintendo, kick Geohot's ass."  Can anyone explain how Sony lost?  How did this injunction hurt them?  Geohot got nothing out of the deal.  Sony can continue selling just as many PS3s as tthey want to, continuing to lead the home consoles for this year.  Geohot was the only one hurt here.  He can't even touch a Sony product with the thought of hacking it again, unless he wants to face fines that not even his loyal fans will help pay for.  Of course with his bruised ego, he's trying to play it off like some boycott to save face. 

And if another hacker comes up in his place, Sony can persue the same method.  I even remember a month or so ago, there was a story in which on of the hackers deeply involved in the PS3 scene said he wasn't even going to attempt to hack the new FW/security Sony put in place recently, deeming it "unhackable" again.  You can bet Sony actions of late weighed his decision.  Just wish I could remember his name.

Actually, that's where you're wrong. I'm all for this kind of activism across all platform. Only the fanboys stick up for their corporation of choice. If they want to hack the Wii or 360, bring it on. More power to the consumer.

Yes, it would be so easy for Sony to pursue the same method, spending untold vast amounts of money on legal fees (you can bet that they outdone GeoHot's legal defense by about tenfold) for every hacker who steps up to the plate. and how is this stopping GeoHot? He can still hack, and probably will, but you'll find that tools will be getting released with no name attached to them. Open Source communities will quickly step up to fill this void, how will Sony go suing each of them individually? Sony lost one thing, and that was a buttload of money, all for a slap on the wrist  of GeoHot. Enjoy your games becoming more expensive because of Sony's eager persuance in this matter.

You're truly deluded if you believe the PS3 is deemed unhackable again. This is the master key we're talking about, that's been leaked. In order for a fix to happen, all PS3 software prior to the change would have to be deemed void. People would need to re-buy their entire library of games. Do you see that happening?