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Porcupine_I on 11 April 2011
Doobie_wop said:
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sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

catch it with your hands?  you have nothing to catch it and you have no cage. you walk away to get something a kid gets bitten meanwhile.

 he could have kicked or shot it, now that would have been stupid. but with the information i have i don't see him actung stupid. desperately maybe.

There probably was something in the school (a cage or something similar) where I could put him in. And I could've used some gloves (like the ones gardners use). Or I could've just thrown a bucket over him, and then called Animal Control. I wouldn't have walked away, but I would've tried not to hurt him. There was definately an alternative to the pepper spray, if you actually searched for it, and this wasn't such a desperate situation that required action without thinking (the kids could've just stayed inside teh school 'till the evil deadly baby squirell emergency was dealt with).

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

He had time to think on the way to the scene.  He gets alerted about a baby squirrel at a school, are you suggesting he made his way there thinking about orange soda?

We must have been watching different videos though, as I saw no squirrel "attack" any officer in that clip.

how do you know that? how do you know what kind of information he had when he got there? but maybe it was the reason he was not better prepared BECAUSE someone told him he has to deal with a "baby squirrel at the school"

and the squirrel is obviously not running away from him, as would be expected behavour, it is actually approaching him and it had chased children, around before. so i call that attacking. what do you call it?


Said it yourself, "approaching him", and that's what I'd call it.  You can't be attacking someone if you don't make contact of any sort, you're simply wrong with your choice of wording here.  I'd also be a little shocked if this video is the first time you've seen a wild animal not run away from a human.

Also, are you seriously suggesting that even though it went to the extent of the police being called for a squirrel, he chose not to prepare?  How does that in any way make him look better?  Neither of us know the information he had when he got there, but you're defending him while I think he could have dealt with the situation better.  Actually, the teachers of the school could also have dealt with it better.  If they thought it was rabid why were there children still outside in the first place?

He shouldn't be fired, he shouldn't be disciplined (trained perhaps as I get the impression he's an onsite officer), but reglardless of how prepared anyone in that situation was it could have been handled better.  Get everyone to vacate the area, wait for animal control.

so you suggest he should have waited for the squirrel to bite him to find out if it was attacking or not. are you telling me that what i see in this video is natural behavior for a squirrel? oh please!

would you risk rabies to find out if it was just trying to play?

as for the rest, read my posts. i did say it could have handeled better, i'm just saying he is not some kind of idiot everyone makes him out to be.

i refer you especially to the first sentence in d21lewis' post!

Ugh, I already mentioned it in my first post. Squirrels can't carry, transfer or contract rabies. It's pretty much nearly impossible unless the area was hit by a bacterial bomb filled with rabies and every living being within 5 miles contracted rabies, then maybe the squirrel could have had rabies. The case is so rare, that the cop had a larger chance of getting beaten up by a random gorilla than being bitten by a baby squirrel with rabies.

The behaviour of the baby squirrel is natural, they are attractive and frantic when young and only get hesitant and anti-social when they are older. Go to any park in Australia and you'll find baby squirrels just running around, none of them with malicous intent.

The most likely scenario is that the kids probably kept feeding and playing around with the squirrel, a teacher saw what was going on and like dumb teachers do, they get worried and call the cops. Dumb cop comes, does dumb stuff and then says dumb stuff on national TV.

Like I said before, it'd be like getting scared and macing a puppy because they were running around, getting excited and jumping on you. If I saw the cop, I'd probably smack him across the head for lacking any sort of common sense or critical thinking.

you would hit a person because they don't know as much as you about squirrels? really?



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Doobie_wop on 11 April 2011
Porcupine_I said:

Ugh, I already mentioned it in my first post. Squirrels can't carry, transfer or contract rabies. It's pretty much nearly impossible unless the area was hit by a bacterial bomb filled with rabies and every living being within 5 miles contracted rabies, then maybe the squirrel could have had rabies. The case is so rare, that the cop had a larger chance of getting beaten up by a random gorilla than being bitten by a baby squirrel with rabies.

The behaviour of the baby squirrel is natural, they are attractive and frantic when young and only get hesitant and anti-social when they are older. Go to any park in Australia and you'll find baby squirrels just running around, none of them with malicous intent.

The most likely scenario is that the kids probably kept feeding and playing around with the squirrel, a teacher saw what was going on and like dumb teachers do, they get worried and call the cops. Dumb cop comes, does dumb stuff and then says dumb stuff on national TV.

Like I said before, it'd be like getting scared and macing a puppy because they were running around, getting excited and jumping on you. If I saw the cop, I'd probably smack him across the head for lacking any sort of common sense or critical thinking.

you would hit a person because they don't know as much as you about squirrels? really?

I've hit people over far less, so yes. It's not even about knowledge, it's about common sense. It's not like the squirrel was foaming at the mouth, baring it's fangs and lunging at him. The cop deserves to be punished, hopefully he at least gets desk duty for the next few months, maybe he could read a book or two in that time, I'm sure it'd be torture.

Also, just in case, I edited my previous post.

Previous post edit: It even mentions that Animal control actually came straight after the cop, they cleaned it and said it was fine and let it off back in the wild. If the squirrel had rabies, then they'd have to get rid of it. Had the cop been an intelligent man, then he would have trapped the squirrel that was being 'irrational' (didn't realise that walking up to someone was a sign of rabies) under a bucket, a hat or even a pot and could have just waited for Animal Control. Giving idiots big boy toys is just ridiculous. 



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Porcupine_I on 11 April 2011
Doobie_wop said:
Porcupine_I said:

Ugh, I already mentioned it in my first post. Squirrels can't carry, transfer or contract rabies. It's pretty much nearly impossible unless the area was hit by a bacterial bomb filled with rabies and every living being within 5 miles contracted rabies, then maybe the squirrel could have had rabies. The case is so rare, that the cop had a larger chance of getting beaten up by a random gorilla than being bitten by a baby squirrel with rabies.

The behaviour of the baby squirrel is natural, they are attractive and frantic when young and only get hesitant and anti-social when they are older. Go to any park in Australia and you'll find baby squirrels just running around, none of them with malicous intent.

The most likely scenario is that the kids probably kept feeding and playing around with the squirrel, a teacher saw what was going on and like dumb teachers do, they get worried and call the cops. Dumb cop comes, does dumb stuff and then says dumb stuff on national TV.

Like I said before, it'd be like getting scared and macing a puppy because they were running around, getting excited and jumping on you. If I saw the cop, I'd probably smack him across the head for lacking any sort of common sense or critical thinking.

you would hit a person because they don't know as much as you about squirrels? really?

I've hit people over far less, so yes. It's not even about knowledge, it's about common sense. It's not like the squirrel was foaming at the mouth, baring it's fangs and lunging at him. The cop deserves to be punished, hopefully he at least gets desk duty for the next few months, maybe he could read a book or two in that time, I'm sure it'd be torture.

Also, just in case, I edited my previous post.

Previous post edit: It even mentions that Animal control actually came straight after the cop, they cleaned it and said it was fine and let it off back in the wild. If the squirrel had rabies, then they'd have to get rid of it. Had the cop been an intelligent man, then he would have trapped the squirrel that was being 'irrational' (didn't realise that walking up to someone was a sign of rabies) under a bucket, a hat or even a pot and could have just waited for Animal Control. Giving idiots big boy toys is just ridiculous. 

to be honest i was at work before and listened to the video with sound for the first time now, and in this given situation i would have maced the people behind me first so i could hear myself think again!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

ssj12 on 11 April 2011
MrBubbles said:
ssj12 said:
MrBubbles said:

squirrels CAN carry rabies.  it is rare, but they can become infected and pass on the disease.  rabies is serious fucking business.   this was a squirrel acting extremely aggressive towards people.  i probably would have squashed the thing. 

 

the cop did NOTHING wrong. 


honestly, that wouldn't have been cruel.  You would have taken out a threat to a squirrel populations around the area. What the officer did was wrong. He made the little thing suffer rather than taking care of the problem properly. So yes, he did it wrong.

 my local authorites recommend trapping the animal in a plastic container alive and shoving it in the freezer.  

if you care for this animal you should be happy that he was able to subdue it alive. 

im actually rather surprised that the animal was released later, since the test for rabies is performed post-mortem.


it probably had no signs of rabies. Kids probably feed the damn thing.



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sapphi_snake on 11 April 2011
Porcupine_I said:
Doobie_wop said:
Porcupine_I said:

Ugh, I already mentioned it in my first post. Squirrels can't carry, transfer or contract rabies. It's pretty much nearly impossible unless the area was hit by a bacterial bomb filled with rabies and every living being within 5 miles contracted rabies, then maybe the squirrel could have had rabies. The case is so rare, that the cop had a larger chance of getting beaten up by a random gorilla than being bitten by a baby squirrel with rabies.

The behaviour of the baby squirrel is natural, they are attractive and frantic when young and only get hesitant and anti-social when they are older. Go to any park in Australia and you'll find baby squirrels just running around, none of them with malicous intent.

The most likely scenario is that the kids probably kept feeding and playing around with the squirrel, a teacher saw what was going on and like dumb teachers do, they get worried and call the cops. Dumb cop comes, does dumb stuff and then says dumb stuff on national TV.

Like I said before, it'd be like getting scared and macing a puppy because they were running around, getting excited and jumping on you. If I saw the cop, I'd probably smack him across the head for lacking any sort of common sense or critical thinking.

you would hit a person because they don't know as much as you about squirrels? really?

I've hit people over far less, so yes. It's not even about knowledge, it's about common sense. It's not like the squirrel was foaming at the mouth, baring it's fangs and lunging at him. The cop deserves to be punished, hopefully he at least gets desk duty for the next few months, maybe he could read a book or two in that time, I'm sure it'd be torture.

Also, just in case, I edited my previous post.

Previous post edit: It even mentions that Animal control actually came straight after the cop, they cleaned it and said it was fine and let it off back in the wild. If the squirrel had rabies, then they'd have to get rid of it. Had the cop been an intelligent man, then he would have trapped the squirrel that was being 'irrational' (didn't realise that walking up to someone was a sign of rabies) under a bucket, a hat or even a pot and could have just waited for Animal Control. Giving idiots big boy toys is just ridiculous. 

to be honest i was at work before and listened to the video with sound for the first time now, and in this given situation i would have maced the people behind me first so i could hear myself think again!

So you still think the evil baby squirell was a menace?



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