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sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

Oh come on, it was a baby squirell, not some crazy fat kid with a gun. You could barely see the little guy. It wasn't one of those react or die situations. The guy just did the stupidest thing possible.

go find bucket/gloves/gardener/cage while kid gets bitten and dies of rabies = irresponsible

shoot it= more stupid

kick it = more stupid

otherwise i refer you to the answer i gave galaki



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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Porcupine_I said:
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

catch it with your hands?  you have nothing to catch it and you have no cage. you walk away to get something a kid gets bitten meanwhile.

 he could have kicked or shot it, now that would have been stupid. but with the information i have i don't see him actung stupid. desperately maybe.

There probably was something in the school (a cage or something similar) where I could put him in. And I could've used some gloves (like the ones gardners use). Or I could've just thrown a bucket over him, and then called Animal Control. I wouldn't have walked away, but I would've tried not to hurt him. There was definately an alternative to the pepper spray, if you actually searched for it, and this wasn't such a desperate situation that required action without thinking (the kids could've just stayed inside teh school 'till the evil deadly baby squirell emergency was dealt with).

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

He had time to think on the way to the scene.  He gets alerted about a baby squirrel at a school, are you suggesting he made his way there thinking about orange soda?

We must have been watching different videos though, as I saw no squirrel "attack" any officer in that clip.



But whose idea was it that the squirrel had rabies? We have them running around parks and anywhere with trees during summer. Nobody thought them having rabies...

Call me skeptic but I'd say the cop (was instructed?) to use rabies as an excuse for what he did.



SeriousWB said:
Porcupine_I said:
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

catch it with your hands?  you have nothing to catch it and you have no cage. you walk away to get something a kid gets bitten meanwhile.

 he could have kicked or shot it, now that would have been stupid. but with the information i have i don't see him actung stupid. desperately maybe.

There probably was something in the school (a cage or something similar) where I could put him in. And I could've used some gloves (like the ones gardners use). Or I could've just thrown a bucket over him, and then called Animal Control. I wouldn't have walked away, but I would've tried not to hurt him. There was definately an alternative to the pepper spray, if you actually searched for it, and this wasn't such a desperate situation that required action without thinking (the kids could've just stayed inside teh school 'till the evil deadly baby squirell emergency was dealt with).

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

He had time to think on the way to the scene.  He gets alerted about a baby squirrel at a school, are you suggesting he made his way there thinking about orange soda?

We must have been watching different videos though, as I saw no squirrel "attack" any officer in that clip.

how do you know that? how do you know what kind of information he had when he got there? but maybe it was the reason he was not better prepared BECAUSE someone told him he has to deal with a "baby squirrel at the school"

and the squirrel is obviously not running away from him, as would be expected behavour, it is actually approaching him and it had chased children, around before. so i call that attacking. what do you call it?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Little known fact:  Pepper spray was actually created as a humane way to deter animals. 

Anyway, cops aren't animal control and we have no training at all.  I've been called to deal with anything from snakes to aligators to birds inside people's houses to dogs, horses, cows, and frogs.  My solution?  Mace, mace, and more mace (and a Tazer, too!).  Maybe it was a baby squirrel.  Maybe it was full grown.  It's hard to tell from the video.  All I can say is cut the guy some slack.  He got called there to do a job that he probably wasn't qualified to do and he did the best he could.  Sometimes, when Animal Control is actually called (damn near every single time I called for them, actually), the don't respond.  I know that cop didn't want to be in that situation.

Did I mention I was once chased by a group of geese?



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Another mystery is that, why the hell were the children running away?

They must raise sissy children in Taxes. Had that squirrel been approaching me or anyone that I schooled with when i was young, we'd make it a pet and pluck all its fur and probably use it to play catch.



d21lewis said:

Did I mention I was once chased by a group of geese?


Geese(s) are actually very territorial and will peck you to hell.



d21lewis said:

Little known fact:  Pepper spray was actually created as a humane way to deter animals.

Anyway, cops aren't animal control and we have no training at all.  I've been called to deal with anything from snakes to aligators to birds inside people's houses to dogs, horses, cows, and frogs.  My solution?  Mace, mace, and more mace (and a Tazer, too!).  Maybe it was a baby squirrel.  Maybe it was full grown.  It's hard to tell from the video.  All I can say is cut the guy some slack.  He got called there to do a job that he probably wasn't qualified to do and he did the best he could.  Sometimes, when Animal Control is actually called (damn near every single time I called for them, actually), the don't respond.  I know that cop didn't want to be in that situation.

Did I mention I was once chased by a group of geese?

i tried! but obviously the term "baby squirrel" triggers something in people.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
SeriousWB said:
Porcupine_I said:
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

catch it with your hands?  you have nothing to catch it and you have no cage. you walk away to get something a kid gets bitten meanwhile.

 he could have kicked or shot it, now that would have been stupid. but with the information i have i don't see him actung stupid. desperately maybe.

There probably was something in the school (a cage or something similar) where I could put him in. And I could've used some gloves (like the ones gardners use). Or I could've just thrown a bucket over him, and then called Animal Control. I wouldn't have walked away, but I would've tried not to hurt him. There was definately an alternative to the pepper spray, if you actually searched for it, and this wasn't such a desperate situation that required action without thinking (the kids could've just stayed inside teh school 'till the evil deadly baby squirell emergency was dealt with).

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

He had time to think on the way to the scene.  He gets alerted about a baby squirrel at a school, are you suggesting he made his way there thinking about orange soda?

We must have been watching different videos though, as I saw no squirrel "attack" any officer in that clip.

how do you know that? how do you know what kind of information he had when he got there? but maybe it was the reason he was not better prepared BECAUSE someone told him he has to deal with a "baby squirrel at the school"

and the squirrel is obviously not running away from him, as would be expected behavour, it is actually approaching him and it had chased children, around before. so i call that attacking. what do you call it?


Said it yourself, "approaching him", and that's what I'd call it.  You can't be attacking someone if you don't make contact of any sort, you're simply wrong with your choice of wording here.  I'd also be a little shocked if this video is the first time you've seen a wild animal not run away from a human.

Also, are you seriously suggesting that even though it went to the extent of the police being called for a squirrel, he chose not to prepare?  How does that in any way make him look better?  Neither of us know the information he had when he got there, but you're defending him while I think he could have dealt with the situation better.  Actually, the teachers of the school could also have dealt with it better.  If they thought it was rabid why were there children still outside in the first place?

He shouldn't be fired, he shouldn't be disciplined (trained perhaps as I get the impression he's an onsite officer), but reglardless of how prepared anyone in that situation was it could have been handled better.  Get everyone to vacate the area, wait for animal control.



SeriousWB said:
Porcupine_I said:
SeriousWB said:
Porcupine_I said:
sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

catch it with your hands?  you have nothing to catch it and you have no cage. you walk away to get something a kid gets bitten meanwhile.

 he could have kicked or shot it, now that would have been stupid. but with the information i have i don't see him actung stupid. desperately maybe.

There probably was something in the school (a cage or something similar) where I could put him in. And I could've used some gloves (like the ones gardners use). Or I could've just thrown a bucket over him, and then called Animal Control. I wouldn't have walked away, but I would've tried not to hurt him. There was definately an alternative to the pepper spray, if you actually searched for it, and this wasn't such a desperate situation that required action without thinking (the kids could've just stayed inside teh school 'till the evil deadly baby squirell emergency was dealt with).

as i said, it is always easy to come up with better solutions if you have time to think about it and use words like "probably"

 but i can only go by what is see. the kids obviously didn't stay inside the school and the squirrel was actually attacking him, and there was no time to think or go look for a bucket or gloves.

i am not even denying that there were possible other, better solutions, but i can't see him acting stupid in this given situation.

He had time to think on the way to the scene.  He gets alerted about a baby squirrel at a school, are you suggesting he made his way there thinking about orange soda?

We must have been watching different videos though, as I saw no squirrel "attack" any officer in that clip.

how do you know that? how do you know what kind of information he had when he got there? but maybe it was the reason he was not better prepared BECAUSE someone told him he has to deal with a "baby squirrel at the school"

and the squirrel is obviously not running away from him, as would be expected behavour, it is actually approaching him and it had chased children, around before. so i call that attacking. what do you call it?


Said it yourself, "approaching him", and that's what I'd call it.  You can't be attacking someone if you don't make contact of any sort, you're simply wrong with your choice of wording here.  I'd also be a little shocked if this video is the first time you've seen a wild animal not run away from a human.

Also, are you seriously suggesting that even though it went to the extent of the police being called for a squirrel, he chose not to prepare?  How does that in any way make him look better?  Neither of us know the information he had when he got there, but you're defending him while I think he could have dealt with the situation better.  Actually, the teachers of the school could also have dealt with it better.  If they thought it was rabid why were there children still outside in the first place?

He shouldn't be fired, he shouldn't be disciplined (trained perhaps as I get the impression he's an onsite officer), but reglardless of how prepared anyone in that situation was it could have been handled better.  Get everyone to vacate the area, wait for animal control.

so you suggest he should have waited for the squirrel to bite him to find out if it was attacking or not. are you telling me that what i see in this video is natural behavior for a squirrel? oh please!

would you risk rabies to find out if it was just trying to play?

as for the rest, read my posts. i did say it could have handeled better, i'm just saying he is not some kind of idiot everyone makes him out to be.

i refer you especially to the first sentence in d21lewis' post!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’