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theprof00 on 04 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

If you can't take the information and balance it with the thought that they could be lying to you, then you're only playing half the game.

I mean seriously prof, do you honestly think I'm such an innocent lamb I don't take into account that any given person might be mafia?  I've learned that lesson, just ask hatmoza   But see above for the reason lies can get under my skin. 

But I'll give you another chance. 

Unvote theprof00. 

I wasn't trying to insinuate that. I'm just saying you can't just reject information because you suspect them. Even if they are scum, flipped scum no less, you can't reject it. You can learn a lot more from looking at the simple information that people put forward, scum or town. In fact, scum info is often more reliable, once you realize they are concealments. You just take the opposite (to boil it down simply) and you have pure, undeniable truth.


fos prof talking about te structure of the game :P

I'll take that fos prof and raise you an HoS prof.



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Wonktonodi on 04 April 2011
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

One last thing:  this is a personal note that I hope will illuminate my attitude on this subject. 

The variation on Masons -- a townie faction that can talk to each other at night -- wherein one of the masons is in fact a mafia member ENRAGES me.  The entire point of the Mason faction is a group of townies that can totally trust each other and work together for the good of the town.  If they have (or potentially have) a mafia among them, it defeats the purpose and turns them virtually into a game of Mafia within a larger game of Mafia.  That's just stupid. 

If we were masons together, and I had to wonder if you were lying to me, that would just be stupid. 

I'm confused. Are you claiming mason?


as thepof once told me scum are often quick to respond to things. I don't intend on doing this much more but I won't make any promises.



Wonktonodi on 04 April 2011
Final-Fan said:

One last thing:  this is a personal note that I hope will illuminate my attitude on this subject. 

The variation on Masons -- a townie faction that can talk to each other at night -- wherein one of the masons is in fact a mafia member ENRAGES me.  The entire point of the Mason faction is a group of townies that can totally trust each other and work together for the good of the town.  If they have (or potentially have) a mafia among them, it defeats the purpose and turns them virtually into a game of Mafia within a larger game of Mafia.  That's just stupid. 

If we were masons together, and I had to wonder if you were lying to me, that would just be stupid. 


prof did ask a good question about this though are you claiming mason?



Final-Fan on 04 April 2011
theprof00 said:

I'm confused. Are you claiming mason?

You're joking, right? 

If not,
A.  No, that would be moronic.  I could just as well as if you're claiming mason and asking if I'm a mason that somehow didn't make it onto your "safe list". 

B.  No, it's only a "personal note" in that it's a commentary on my personal opinion of that rule variation, which I condemn.  I shared it to try to illustrate my feelings about the subject of townies lying in mafia.  Sometimes it's necessary, but I think that when it can be avoided, it should be. 

The whole purpose of masons IMO is to have a faction of townies that not only doesn't have to lie, but can share every suspicion, trust, opinion of power roles, etc. without fear of betraying information to the enemy.  A variation involving enemy infiltration of such a faction is retarded. 

But that's slightly off-topic:  what's relevant is that a mason who lies to other masons is IMO crazy, and I have had a somewhat similar feeling about you.  But now you say that you've turned over a new leaf (no gambits), and last game was a special circumstance due to your power role, and I'm willing to run with that. 



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Wonktonodi on 04 April 2011
hatmoza said:

Since I'm looking at a pretty rough school week starting tomorrow, Monday, I'll start off by asking the doctor to please protect me. I'm a pretty powerful tool, and I guarantee that the longer I live, the more certain I am scum don't stand a chance. Heph made a big mistake giving me this role because I know exactly how to use it.

No, I'm not roleclaiming. FoS me as much as you like


now that I've gone back don't mind if I do

FoS hat although not to get a roleclaim.



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Final-Fan on 04 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Final-Fan said:

One last thing:  this is a personal note that I hope will illuminate my attitude on this subject. 

The variation on Masons -- a townie faction that can talk to each other at night -- wherein one of the masons is in fact a mafia member ENRAGES me.  The entire point of the Mason faction is a group of townies that can totally trust each other and work together for the good of the town.  If they have (or potentially have) a mafia among them, it defeats the purpose and turns them virtually into a game of Mafia within a larger game of Mafia.  That's just stupid. 

If we were masons together, and I had to wonder if you were lying to me, that would just be stupid. 


prof did ask a good question about this though are you claiming mason?

A second one, really?  To reiterate,
You're joking, right?  If not:  No, that would be moronic.  I could just as well ask if you're claiming mason and asking if I'm a mason that somehow didn't make it onto your "safe list". 



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theprof00 on 04 April 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

One last thing:  this is a personal note that I hope will illuminate my attitude on this subject. 

The variation on Masons -- a townie faction that can talk to each other at night -- wherein one of the masons is in fact a mafia member ENRAGES me.  The entire point of the Mason faction is a group of townies that can totally trust each other and work together for the good of the town.  If they have (or potentially have) a mafia among them, it defeats the purpose and turns them virtually into a game of Mafia within a larger game of Mafia.  That's just stupid. 

If we were masons together, and I had to wonder if you were lying to me, that would just be stupid. 

I'm confused. Are you claiming mason?


as thepof once told me scum are often quick to respond to things. I don't intend on doing this much more but I won't make any promises.

Don't worry, I'm making a note of your comments, myself.

Also, you fail to realize the main purpose of bringing up tells. To make mafia think you're in their face. Tells themselves are hardly worth anything, but in the right situations, they are very handy to know.

For example, and I'm willing to sacrifice this one to WIFOM, because last game all 4th voters were scum, mafia are probably going to avoid that 4th vote. They have GIVEN the tell power. However, now that I say it, it will further be impossible to predict due to WIFOM. However, had I not said it, I could;ve had a pretty reliable town tell. You'll learn in time wonk.



Final-Fan on 04 April 2011

FoS Wonk.  I mean seriously, he's been going "me too" on every suspicion, including the first truly stupid question I've heard prof ask. 

I have to wonder if he's actually thinking about all these suspicions he's echoing, and if not, that's scummy. 



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Wonktonodi on 04 April 2011
Final-Fan said:
Wonktonodi said:
Final-Fan said:

One last thing:  this is a personal note that I hope will illuminate my attitude on this subject. 

The variation on Masons -- a townie faction that can talk to each other at night -- wherein one of the masons is in fact a mafia member ENRAGES me.  The entire point of the Mason faction is a group of townies that can totally trust each other and work together for the good of the town.  If they have (or potentially have) a mafia among them, it defeats the purpose and turns them virtually into a game of Mafia within a larger game of Mafia.  That's just stupid. 

If we were masons together, and I had to wonder if you were lying to me, that would just be stupid. 


prof did ask a good question about this though are you claiming mason?

A second one, really?  To reiterate,
You're joking, right?  If not:  No, that would be moronic.  I could just as well ask if you're claiming mason and asking if I'm a mason that somehow didn't make it onto your "safe list". 

I asked becuase bringing all that up to make you point on prof was a bit out there



Final-Fan on 04 April 2011
Final-Fan said:
...the first truly stupid question I've heard prof ask...

Oh, but if you were being clever, and trying to protect me from stupid mafia, sorry, and thanks. 



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My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

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