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LordTheNightKnight on 04 April 2011
Albion said:


3rd Party dont pick the Winning consule they have to decide who they think will be market leader in a few years, ya there taking a gess of who they think will lead the market, so they can start investing money for devlopment software tools.  They have to spend houres learning them.  refine them for the specifice machine they want it to be for.

You make it sound like they can decide out of no where. Ok the last 2 years we spent learning all this shit. Flush it down the tube. all that money we spent on the Unreal 3 engine, Waiste of money cause Wii cant even run  it.

a good game, That it be on the Wi or on the PS3 takes a hole lot of time to devlope. and thats not including all the preperation it takes to even get to the pointe when you can start making any games at all.

Your angry at them for picking the bad consule to support. You  in there situation would have done the same. No one even thought the Wii would have any success, even Nintendo.

The good news is. If company's support the 3DS it means they will have Engines and people that are trained to produce software for the Wii.    

The 3DS still Can't run Unreal engine 3,  so dont worry to much cause the companys that are really all about Visuals and nothing more. still wont be producing anything on the Wii or 3DS. 

 


1. I think you need to edit this.

2. That argument was only valid for the first 2-3 years of the Wii.



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Albion on 05 April 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
Albion said:


3rd Party dont pick the Winning consule they have to decide who they think will be market leader in a few years, ya there taking a gess of who they think will lead the market, so they can start investing money for devlopment software tools.  They have to spend houres learning them.  refine them for the specifice machine they want it to be for.

You make it sound like they can decide out of no where. Ok the last 2 years we spent learning all this shit. Flush it down the tube. all that money we spent on the Unreal 3 engine, Waiste of money cause Wii cant even run  it.

a good game, That it be on the Wi or on the PS3 takes a hole lot of time to devlope. and thats not including all the preperation it takes to even get to the pointe when you can start making any games at all.

Your angry at them for picking the bad consule to support. You  in there situation would have done the same. No one even thought the Wii would have any success, even Nintendo.

The good news is. If company's support the 3DS it means they will have Engines and people that are trained to produce software for the Wii.    

The 3DS still Can't run Unreal engine 3,  so dont worry to much cause the companys that are really all about Visuals and nothing more. still wont be producing anything on the Wii or 3DS. 

 


1. I think you need to edit this.

2. That argument was only valid for the first 2-3 years of the Wii.

>.<



irstupid on 06 April 2011
Albion said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Albion said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
archbrix said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
cyberninja45 said:
ph4nt said:

"HD graphics" is a gimmick.


Its not and 3d isnt either


They are. They change the style, not the substance. And the intial audience interest for HD movies and and games, and the interest for 3D movies, has worn off, proving they are gimmicks (before you bring up motion controls, they are play standards, and sales for games that use them well are still strong, same as the DS touch screen which works for loads of games on mobile devices).

The term "gimmick" can mean ingenious or an imortant feature that's not immediatly apparent.  But I believe you mean it as it's other more commonly used meaning, a marketing trick (given the @bolded in your post).  In this sense, HD is clearly NOT a gimmick.  HD hasn't worn off at all.  Maybe for you personally, but every satellite and cable provider thirves on providing HD programming and blu-ray is increasingly popular (even within digital distribution it's popular).  Just because standard definition remains the choice for many, HD is far from being just a quirky novelty; not when every single TV sold today is HD.


1. Yes, that is the context I meant, as others were using it in that context as well.

2. Releasing is not sales. And sales of blu-ray as well as standard DVD has been down.

The point for HD is that it's not a sales booster anymore, and wasn't that much to begin with. So I maintain that even 3D won't go away, it won't be a boon much longer.


But thats all Nintendo needs it to do. 

To gain support.

 

After that the system can sell on its library. The 3D is just its kick starter.


The thing is that, assuming you mean 3rd party support, then it shows that the third parties are still deciding they get to chose the winning system, not the public. That also affects their game output, which puts cut scenes and visual tricks over good design.


3rd Party dont pick the Winning consule they have to decide who they think will be market leader in a few years, ya there taking a gess of who they think will lead the market, so they can start investing money for devlopment software tools.  They have to spend houres learning them.  refine them for the specifice machine they want it to be for.

You make it sound like they can decide out of no where. Ok the last 2 years we spent learning all this shit. Flush it down the tube. all that money we spent on the Unreal 3 engine, Waiste of money cause Wii cant even run  it.

a good game, That it be on the Wi or on the PS3 takes a hole lot of time to devlope. and thats not including all the preperation it takes to even get to the pointe when you can start making any games at all.

Your angry at them for picking the bad consule to support. You  in there situation would have done the same. No one even thought the Wii would have any success, even Nintendo.

The good news is. If company's support the 3DS it means they will have Engines and people that are trained to produce software for the Wii.    

The 3DS still Can't run Unreal engine 3,  so dont worry to much cause the companys that are really all about Visuals and nothing more. still wont be producing anything on the Wii or 3DS. 

 

you are making the falasy in sunk costs argument again

companies have to realize at points that it don't matter how much money they may have spent to date doing something, if its not working you move on.   If these companies spent 2-3 years learning and so on (pathetic imo) but the returns on the games are not coming back positive, then you quit.  you do not keep LOSING money.  whether this means not making games period or trying a new system is another story.  but sunk costs are just that they are costs gone, never going to get them back. you need to worry about present.  is what your doing now going to and/or making you money NOW or SOON.  if not, you abandon ship.



LordTheNightKnight on 06 April 2011
irstupid said:

you are making the falasy in sunk costs argument again

companies have to realize at points that it don't matter how much money they may have spent to date doing something, if its not working you move on.   If these companies spent 2-3 years learning and so on (pathetic imo) but the returns on the games are not coming back positive, then you quit.  you do not keep LOSING money.  whether this means not making games period or trying a new system is another story.  but sunk costs are just that they are costs gone, never going to get them back. you need to worry about present.  is what your doing now going to and/or making you money NOW or SOON.  if not, you abandon ship.


Well they lie to themselves that it's "highly profitable" (the exact words by someone at EA).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs