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Wii first party library vs PS3 first party library?

PS3 1st party library 175 46.05%
 
Wii 1st party library 178 46.84%
 
Both 17 4.47%
 
Xbox 360 1st party library (vote me) 9 2.37%
 
Total:379
ImJustBayuum on 31 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:

An IP owned by Sony should count in a topic like this.


Yep I kinda agree with you here...but just to put things into perspective, a developer not owned by sony can affect some of the factors that I listed on the OP...quality and sales to be more specific.



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dsister on 31 March 2011

Bah, and I spent a good 30 seconds writing that =p 



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mantlepiecek on 31 March 2011
dsister said:
CGI-Quality said:

An IP owned by Sony should count in a topic like this. It's their IP, they can do want they want with it, so it should count as it IS 1st Party (since again, 2nd Party games/IPs don't exist). An IP is either owned by a 3rd party, independent company, or a 1st Party manufacturer (there is no in between in regards to the property). That's not strictly my definition, it's (for the most part) common knowledge.

You not wanting to include LBP or inFAMOUS is strictly on you, but it doesn't make them any less internal properties.


Yes, the IP is owned by Sony. But the games weren't developed by Sony. So that makes them 3rd party games, published by a first party.

Despite my hating of Wikipedia the link that the other poster posted even proves my point. 

Well, except for wikipedia, there is not a single source explaining first party games.

Also, cnet has an article in which it considers Pokemon as first party game, so it pretty much doesn't matter who develops a game if the IP is owned by a company.

"Nintendo is the leader when it comes to first-party titles. Its franchises--Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, and others--have proven to be extremely profitable for the company. But when you look at first-party games on Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PlayStation 3, there's no comparison to Nintendo."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10236513-17.html

Oh, and its an old article btw :)



dsister on 31 March 2011

The other guy ninja'd me. This is directed at CGI for clarity 

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The IPs are owned by Sony, but developed by 3rd parties...  I never said Sony didn't own the IPs... 

Please fine me a definition of 1st party on the web. The only one I've seen was the Wiki one that is not only an unreliable source, but also said I was right. 



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dsister on 31 March 2011
mantlepiecek said:

Well, except for wikipedia, there is not a single source explaining first party games.

Also, cnet has an article in which it considers Pokemon as first party game, so it pretty much doesn't matter who develops a game if the IP is owned by a company.

"Nintendo is the leader when it comes to first-party titles. Its franchises--Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, and others--have proven to be extremely profitable for the company. But when you look at first-party games on Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PlayStation 3, there's no comparison to Nintendo."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10236513-17.html

Oh, and its an old article btw :)

Ok, cool. The only definition on the internet says I am right...

And technically Nintendo's 1st party has released Pokemon games 



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mantlepiecek on 31 March 2011
RolStoppable said:
mantlepiecek said:

Well, except for wikipedia, there is not a single source explaining first party games.

Also, cnet has an article in which it considers Pokemon as first party game, so it pretty much doesn't matter who develops a game if the IP is owned by a company.

"Nintendo is the leader when it comes to first-party titles. Its franchises--Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, and others--have proven to be extremely profitable for the company. But when you look at first-party games on Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PlayStation 3, there's no comparison to Nintendo."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10236513-17.html

Oh, and its an old article btw :)

What is most important though is that the article mentions that Nintendo is the clear leader over both, Sony and Microsoft, when it comes to first party games. This clearly settles the original question posed in this thread too then.

Haha :) I knew someone would do something like this. However its a May 2009 article and since then a lot of things have changed both for nintendo and Sony.



mantlepiecek on 31 March 2011
dsister said:
mantlepiecek said:

Well, except for wikipedia, there is not a single source explaining first party games.

Also, cnet has an article in which it considers Pokemon as first party game, so it pretty much doesn't matter who develops a game if the IP is owned by a company.

"Nintendo is the leader when it comes to first-party titles. Its franchises--Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokemon, and others--have proven to be extremely profitable for the company. But when you look at first-party games on Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Sony's PlayStation 3, there's no comparison to Nintendo."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10236513-17.html

Oh, and its an old article btw :)

Ok, cool. The only definition on the internet says I am right...

And technically Nintendo's 1st party has released Pokemon games 

How does it say you are right?

And third party have released Pokemon games as well. Let me guess then, resistance is first party because on the PSP its released by a first party developer? Correct? If that's the case then calling resistance as a first party should be OK as a franchise and that is what this thread is pretty much about, since we all stated franchises and not the games itself.



mantlepiecek on 31 March 2011
RolStoppable said:
mantlepiecek said:
RolStoppable said:

What is most important though is that the article mentions that Nintendo is the clear leader over both, Sony and Microsoft, when it comes to first party games. This clearly settles the original question posed in this thread too then.

Haha :) I knew someone would do something like this. However its a May 2009 article and since then a lot o things have changed both for nintendo and Sony.

Sure, but I don't see how Nintendo improving and Sony getting worse changes the end result.

Sony improved a lot since 2009 May, however the improvement itself started in 2009 Feb with killzone 2.

Uncharted 2, God of war 3, LBP 2, and even infamous were released after the article. All highly appreciated games as well.



dsister on 31 March 2011

Of a video game, developed and published by company responsible for the platform on which it is released (or its internal developers), as opposed to third-party; Originating from such a video game
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/first-party

Both Media Molecule and SuckerPunch are( or were, at least) 3rd party devs at the time of their games initial releases(de ja vu o.O)

 

The PSP version of Resistance, is in fact 1st party. You can count it, I don't care. You two are the ones that seem to be having the problem. Did you see me trying to correct the many in this thread that are wrong? I just think that if we are comparing the 1st party of these two we should only count 1st party games... not 3rd party(since CGI doesn't like that other word) games, which both LBP(1) and inFamous are apart of 

Why the heck is my post all green? o.O



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dsister on 31 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:

1st Party is the same as owned. There's obviosuly no definition for 2nd Party IPs, so I stand by what I'm saying, as it's yet to be proven wrong by.....anyone.


Is Ghostbusters 1st party? That is an IP owned by Sony, so obviously it is 1st party.

And oh my gosh, I remember you used to be much easier to talk with. I have been repeating the same thing over and over again since I started this. There are no such things as 2nd party IPs, no those IPs are obviously 1st party, but were developed by 3rd parties. So following the simple trail of logic they are not 1st party games, they are 3rd party(to make you feel better) games. 



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