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pizzahut451 on 13 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
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Two world wars, extreme religious political ideologies(Communism, Fascism and Nazis) plagued the 20th century and divided the world into two halves East and West for most of the 20th century. Huge technological advancement during 20th century especially after World War 2.  

21st century Global terrorism and endless war on everything. Immigration is a major worldwide problem. Global warming, climate change and  depletion of resources. Rise of totalitarian Chinese regime. Continued technological advancement. 

Something big will happen in the 21st century. Just you all wait and see.  


Communism is a religious political ideology? Now I've heard everything

Communism, Fascism and National Socialism were promoted and had God like worship of the leaders of the fathers of the political ideologies. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, and other extreme ideologue dictators regimes had religious fanatical followers. Heretics/political opponents were eliminated. Dictatorships use fear, propaganda, police state, military force and censorship to maintain power and control over the people. 

To question or disobey a totalitarian regime would be imprisonment in a slave labour camp or execution without a trial.


Uh, you do realise comunism is an atheist ideology that persecutes theists? God knows how many christians stalin persecuted and killed during his rulership. communisam banns religion and church in the country...

What he's trying to say is that Communism is in itself like a religion, especially if there's a cult of personality involved. JUst Look atNorth Korea. I saw a documentary of a woman from there worshipping that guy and acting exactly like old women act in Church over here.

Not to mention that dictators were simply against anyone who had an ideology different then themselves, something which Christians are guilty of doing also.


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.



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sapphi_snake on 13 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).



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pizzahut451 on 13 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
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You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).

Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion. Religion is about worhiping higher power - something superior and higher than a mortal man- a God. Comunism has its similarities with religion, buts its not THE RELIGION



sapphi_snake on 13 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).

Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion. Religion is about worhiping higher power - something superior and higher than a mortal man- a God. Comunism has its similarities with religion, buts its not THE RELIGION

Kim Jong Il, the Communist dicator in North Korea is viewed by his people as a higher being, and he is worshipped as a god. It's called the cult of personality (in this case taken to a great extreme). A religion is an ideology, that can sometimes affect politics, hence why in Communists country they'r e banned. No competing ideologies may survive.



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Kirameo on 13 April 2011
pizzahut451 said:
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pizzahut451 said:


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).

Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion. Religion is about worhiping higher power - something superior and higher than a mortal man- a God. Comunism has its similarities with religion, buts its not THE RELIGION

Oh god... I swear I have to facepalm at every one of your posts in this thread.

Communism is an ideology.

Christianity is a religión WITH an ideology (in practice).

They interfere with each other.

Communism takes down christianity.



 

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scottie on 13 April 2011

I hesitate to get involved with the above debate, but you're both very wrong.

 

Statesments such as "Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion." are incorrect. Communism is NOT a political ideology, nor is it possible for one man to be in charge of a Communist Country.

 

Communism is an economic system, non of you would say capitalism is a political ideaology I trust?

 

You can have a capitalist democracy, such as America, Australia, and to some reasonable degree, the UK

You can have a communist democracy, such as was seen in Russia 1917 to about 1920, before Lenin started messing with it a bit, and then Stalin completely fucked it up soon after. The word Soviet, refered to a local, deomcratically elected council.

 

You can have a capitalist dictatorship (Mubarak or any of his ilk), or even a captialist monarchy, as seen in Europe in around the 1800s.

 

You can't really have a Communist Dictatorship, one of the main points of Communism is that the power rests in the hands of the people.

 

Russia and China were/are Stalinist Dictatorships, which bear very little resemblance to Communism as espused by Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, or the popular opinion of the Communists (before Stalin killed off everyone who felt that way, that is)



Kirameo on 13 April 2011
scottie said:

I hesitate to get involved with the above debate, but you're both very wrong.

 

Statesments such as "Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion." are incorrect. Communism is NOT a political ideology, nor is it possible for one man to be in charge of a Communist Country.

 

Communism is an economic system, non of you would say capitalism is a political ideaology I trust?

 

You can have a capitalist democracy, such as America, Australia, and to some reasonable degree, the UK

You can have a communist democracy, such as was seen in Russia 1917 to about 1920, before Lenin started messing with it a bit, and then Stalin completely fucked it up soon after. The word Soviet, refered to a local, deomcratically elected council.

 

You can have a capitalist dictatorship (Mubarak or any of his ilk), or even a captialist monarchy, as seen in Europe in around the 1800s.

 

You can't really have a Communist Dictatorship, one of the main points of Communism is that the power rests in the hands of the people.

 

Russia and China were/are Stalinist Dictatorships, which bear very little resemblance to Communism as espused by Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, or the popular opinion of the Communists (before Stalin killed off everyone who felt that way, that is)

It still is an ideology. An ideology is just a set of beliefs, and communism relies on a set of beliefs. It might not be an ideology in itself but it sure as hell relies on one (or any variation that people like to make).

You could say that the ideology in which many communists would rely contradicts the set of beliefs of members of the church (historically).

I might be wrong, but saying that communism is agaisnt religion for the hell of it is downright ignorant.



 

scottie on 13 April 2011
Kirameo said:
scottie said:

 

It still is an ideology. An ideology is just a set of beliefs, and communism relies on a set of beliefs. It might not be an ideology in itself but it sure as hell relies on one (or any variation that people like to make).

You could say that the ideology in which many communists would rely contradicts the set of beliefs of members of the church (historically).

I might be wrong, but saying that communism is agaisnt religion for the hell of it is downright ignorant.


Yes, it is an ideaology, but many people have been refering to it as a 'political ideaology', which it is not. That was my only real point here.

 

 

As for the religion debate

Communists, at least in the sense of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky etc, consider religion to be the opiate of the masses, just another way that the working class was forced into poverty and subservience - tithe the church or you will go to hell, serve your master without complaint or you will go to hell, which is I think what you've been saying?

 

However, from what I've been taught, Stalin's  objection to religion, and his reason for the purges was more along the lines of not wanting his subjects to have divided loyalty - the first duty should be to the state, not to God, not to the head of the church. In his (slightly crazy) eyes, believing in God was a betrayal of the country, which is closer to what some others have been saying? That is not to say that I think Stalinism is a religion, but it does bear a lot of similarities to the major religions.

I think, I might have misrepresented someone's points, I've only skim read the communist debate in this thread



pizzahut451 on 14 April 2011
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).

Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion. Religion is about worhiping higher power - something superior and higher than a mortal man- a God. Comunism has its similarities with religion, buts its not THE RELIGION

Kim Jong Il, the Communist dicator in North Korea is viewed by his people as a higher being, and he is worshipped as a god. It's called the cult of personality (in this case taken to a great extreme). A religion is an ideology, that can sometimes affect politics, hence why in Communists country they'r e banned. No competing ideologies may survive.


I highly doubt they worhsiped him as a God. I mean, do you even know what a God means? Just the fact that Kim Jong breads air means hes not a higher being.



pizzahut451 on 14 April 2011
Kirameo said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


You can say comunism has its similarities with religion, but to say its a religious regime is dead wrong and incredibly false. Communism has always been agaisnt religion.

I'm saying that Communism (especially if there's a charismatic dictator involved) becames a religion itself (it's pretty much that way in North Korea). The fact that religions are forbidden is only because they go against the official ideology (Christians did that too when European states were theocracies).

Communism is a political ideology not a religion. Just because one man is in charge of erything and thinks himself better than everyone else deosnt make communism reeligion. Religion is about worhiping higher power - something superior and higher than a mortal man- a God. Comunism has its similarities with religion, buts its not THE RELIGION

Oh god... I swear I have to facepalm at every one of your posts in this thread.

Communism is an ideology.

Christianity is a religión WITH an ideology (in practice).

They interfere with each other.

Communism takes down christianity.

Is christianity a political religion? Where did I say religion isnt a type of ideology? Seriously, people in this thread gotta stop arguing with me on the stuff I didnt even write about. do you people get any kind of pleasure when clikcing quote on my post? Damn... >_<