Well.... the apperance of  a reasonably successful democracy anyway.

I mean, there have been protests in iraq too.

It's just nobody has paid any media attention to them.

Well, yeah, but by that standard the Wisconsin democracy is in doubt. For now, Iraq's ability to vote is not in doubt, even if people are disatisfied (as they are bound to be)

Oh come now, okay then the only nation member of the OIC from that region not in revolt would be Turkey.

I don't even want to get into your response it's making me kind of sad.

Okay then Kurdish majority Arab's on the outskirts minority Turkey, yes THAT Turkey... at least you didn't say Turkey's dont have populations on them.  -_-U

Actually I think that is a major reason Turkey does not want to get involved at all. Turkey specifically said they would veto any decision for Nato to take command of the No-Fly Zone. Turkey doesn't want to be seen as supporting the protests and their rebelions. Much like Saudi Arabia Turkey has rebel groups in their country and protests could definatly damage them as well.

I think half the Muslim world is saying "We want democracy we want change" While the other half is freaking out because they don't want change and what happens if their citizens revolt.

Heck even Karzai is considered a dictator by many. I mean most observers believed that the election in Afghanistan was rigged. Also to my knowledge Hamid Karzai could run for re-election indefinatly. With no two term limit in the Afghan constitution (To my knowledge). So he could technically seize control indefinatly especially if he rigged the future elections.

But in the end change may be bad in some cases for the US. But I think for most Muslims and MiddleEastern/African's change is a good thing!

The best-organized opposition is in most cases radically Islam to varying degrees. Egypt and Tunisia were unique because the Islamist opposition was repressed to the point where a strong anti-government voice had to come from a modern, liberal middle, but in many cases the option for change is Jihad, as Lebanon can attest where Hezbollah won elections, or the Gaza Strip and Hamas. Algeria would go Iran overnight if the dictatorship were allowed to step down

Turkey's the only difference because their protesters are the Kurdish minority, and the fact of minority is not going to change. Turkey's reasons for backing out are different, because their government has been leaning more towards being an active player in the existing middle east, voicing support for regimes like Sudan's, and doesn't want to back down from that position now. Plus Turkey's had mostly-functioning democracy (though it is democracy that has worked to secure secular democracy by un-democratic means periodically) since 1923

That's right.

It's poultry.  Native to North America, no less!

Well some interesting stats are that 2.5 million roughly 45% of the population there  are illegals. Also the largest number of Iraqi insurgents the US had to fight came from Libya and were not Libya Militia or Libyan Armed Regulars.

The question is then who were they? It's clear that they have a tie to Bin Laden though but are we helping the greater of two evils?

That's the question floating around that no one want's to ask right now. It brings a very similar issue that Thomas Jefferson faced when arguing about American's being kept as slaves by Tripoli when Americans kept slaves themselves.

Based on the NY Times today the Militia believe they are fighting al Qaeda and are loyal to Kaddafi while the Regular army have their hands full keeping the Militia in-line and taking care of the rebels at this point maybe insurgents with the UN's no-fly zone damaging their advantage.

Let's not forget that they bombed unarmed civilians, but if this is an organized radical insurgence maybe the west should stop and take notes.

Muslims I've talked to from Yemen to Egypt seem to be either confused about what is happening in Libya but see Kaddafi as a bad guy or want to out Kaddafi to restore Islamic authority in Libya -- a way of speaking I've heard too often in western countries.

The Israel stance is that of non-involvement and that the US may be messing with the wasp nest.

As far as I can tell though the resolution may be a divided Libya for the UN but for Libya's sake it may be Kaddafi’s continued rein... I know this is the guy who took down the PanAm flight and was responsible for the bombing of a night club three years before that killing three.

- I'm still finding new perspectives and references but that's where I'm at so far.

Kadafi is hated by muslims because he is basically like "black" to them, and he has been messing too much with black africans (and that included even Mandela from the other end of the continent in past!). And he messed with soviets, too. Kadafi is too much of commie himself, his Green Book is like a sister to infamous Little Red Book, manifesting fucking socialism and advocating so called "the third way" (which is just another disguise for commies ideas fyi).

And so, Lybia itself isn't quite islamic as a country, rather it's a fucking commies state, it's even called so (Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya). There are no political parties and all the big companies are nationalized, only "congresses" and a small businesses exist.

Kadafi also talked about uniting Africa more than a few times, he wanted to throw down all those independent and West-friendly goverments there and to establish some ridiculous United States of Africa instead, which would be immediate treat to the rest of arab world. He even wanted to introduce a common currency for Africa continent and that instead of French franc already being widely used there at the moment!

So he really is quite a lockust and muslims have all the rights to hate him as much as we do.

Cool news, marines are dislocating to the country! Libya, you won't wait much longer! One quick land operation and Kadafi with his fucking communist state is over

That... seems like a mistake if it's US marines... considering Obama basically promised the US people he wouldn't send ground forces. "Well he said occupation forces, but he knew what everyone would take that as."

Hell, the fact that some marines saved the pilots alone is an issue a lot of people will have with him.

US public opinion is very split on this.

45% approval.

37% disapproval

and

21% Unsure.

It's amusingly evenly split among political parties.  I know everybody at the protest I was at was angry as hell about it, and i probably was about as close to a republican as was there.

They're all pretty convinced it's just a matter of time before ground troops hit.

This is probably best symbolized by hometown representative Dennis! Kusnich (D) saying that Obama committed an impeachable offense.  He's teaming up with the Libritarian wing of the Republcian party and trying to defund the actions.

He's got a fun point too... 

“I want to point out that I’m in pretty good company raising this question. Because Joe Biden, when he was a candidate in December 2007, said that if President Bush had gone ahead to attack Iran without congressional authorization, that he would move to impeach him. President Obama said the president doesn’t have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation…My reading of the Constitution is consistent with the people who are now president and vice president.”