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Now that the no-fly zone is finally being implemented. How long will Libya have to wait before Gaddafi is finally pulled from power? How long before he is killed (If he is) or brought before the UN Courts?

 

Alright so we all know the Libyan rebelion started a month ago. Protestors went to the streets to get rid of Col Gaddafi. Gaddafi ordered his troops to start killing protestors. His troops and supporters took to the streets attacking unarmed civilians. A few pilots and a hunk of the army defected refusing to kill innocent civilians. The protestors formed a rebelion and took control of half the country.

Gaddafi stated he would kill all those in opposition like dogs. Saying he would go door to door slaughtering them. He began in Tripoli. About a week into the unrest the US President Obama called for a cease of all attacks on civilians, and together with France and Britian said that they could issue a no fly zone to stop the violence.

Gaddafi's air force began bombing the army bases to get rid of weapons in rebel hands. They then backed by tanks and armoured personel carriers began attacking protestor held cities. Again the US and her allies said a no-fly zone and military action would follow.

Gaddafi's men began taking city after city slaughtering the people within. hundreds to thousands reported dead. This went on for three weeks before guess what, the Arab League come forward and demand a no fly zone, this time the US says again that military action will be taken if Gaddafi continues his attacks however the US will not act without UN approval.

The UN met earlier this week , but dragged its feet discussing the no-fly zone then holding off on a decision till Thursday. Thursday comes along and the whole world is watching, finally the UN agrees to order a no-fly zone. The french Government announces that their planes will begin operations in hours.

However nothing happens, Friday morning comes along and Canada, US, Britian , France say they are only now deploying fighter jets. Not only were their fighters not in position but the US still doesn't want to issue a no-fly zone. So Friday afternoon Obama announces.... wait for it.... another demand that Gaddafi cease fire on civilians and leave rebel cities.

Gaddafi announces a cease fire, however begins final bombing runs on benghazi, rebels freak out as Libyan troops enter the city. Loud explosions begin rocking the city and hundreds of protestors run trying to escape the blood bath that Gaddafi's troops are unleashing.

So where is the no-fly zone? Well Obama says that it will be disgussed Saturday afternoon in France. WTF discussed where are the bloody fighter jets, Gaddafi has entered Benghazi and is killing everyone in sight and the US is still discussing the No-Fly Zone?

How many more Libyan's are going to die because of America's cowardess (Or Obama's), Obama promised the civilians a month ago that help was coming, he promised the UN would help. He said the only thing stopping the US was the UN. Now after the UN dragged its feet for weeks finally ordering the no fly zone, the US is sitting their still doing shit all to help the people of Libya.

So when will the US finally intervene and is it already too late?



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I think it's too late already.



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I am super fascinated by the Arabic inaction :)



Obama sad that he's not sending troops. I mean the America miltary is already spread thin as it is. Were already in afghan and still have troops in Iraq. Obama's still trying to work with the U.N. to get this thing resolved. I think America is going to try to help (like we always do) in any way we can,short of sending troops,which I agree with. I mean it's still a work in progress. I find it funny that people always bash and talk down to the united states,but in the same breath,expect us to save the rest of the world. 



oldschoolfool said:

Obama sad that he's not sending troops. I mean the America miltary is already spread thin as it is. Were already in afghan and still have troops in Iraq. Obama's still trying to work with the U.N. to get this thing resolved. I think America is going to try to help (like we always do) in any way we can,short of sending troops,which I agree with. I mean it's still a work in progress. I find it funny that people always bash and talk down to the united states,but in the same breath,expect us to save the rest of the world.

I don't think anyone wants the repetition of Afghanistan or Iraq, the usual consequence of Americans direct involvement, but if you make threats you must have the nads to carry it through. As of right now all of Western countries were along the lines of "Oh gadaffi you naughty little boy, don't take that cookie, if you do there will be dire consequence". He took half the cookie "Damn it Gadaffi you watch..". He took the rest of it then there was a meeting in regards as to what to do about Gadaffi taking the cookie, really simple. Instead of sending in jets to reinforce the no fly zone there is another UN meeting in France, I mean wtf, people are dying despite the apparent "no fly" zone and the "ceasefire", which is clearly not a ceasefire and the western nations that represent the democracy stand by and do bugger all, or having meetings. A pointless waste of life if anything. Not saying that US should get involved, but why the smack talk then? :S I don't think the UN are any better.

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Well if the UN dont send in Troops or at least Pressure Saudi Arabia to send troops then guess whats going to happen. An radical group will come take over and guess what, we will get another Afghanistan and the UN will be sent in anyways to liberate the country and remove the terriorist radicals. 

Send troops, win the hearts of the people. 

Hey its not that bad especially when there is oil on hand. When Indonesia invaded East Timor we are like East Timor has the rights to an tonne of oil in there EEZ so Australia sent in the troops, liberated East timor amazinly not losing an single soldier and now profit tonnes from the oil. So basically the brits, US can send in the troops take over and  install an government and profit it from the oil. Provide secruity for the oil profiting and it will work out for them. 



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Well the France airplanes were already their...  Not sure what they are doing now...

Countries sending military help:

France,UK,Denmark, Greece, Norway, Poland Belgium, Portugal, USA, Canada.. (Missed one?);


Countries who doesn't send help for sure:  Germany..And Italy(but they open some bases for the pilots who fly now above Libya).



 

gonna be honest...you wrote too much so i decided not to read it..

 

but since there are french planes already in libyan airspace...and the canadian planes are already in europe, ready to start helping with the no fly zone in a couple days... the US has at least one carrier group in the area... 

they really arent waiting, are they?



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It's obvious why so many countries including the US were very hesitant to do anything straight away.

First of all Libya was brought back into the international fold after it renounced WMDs and Western (and China, Russia etc) companies were once allowed to do business there after the lifting of sanctions.

The Libya situation is more complex than in the other countries. It's practically a civil war. The other pro democracy protests we've seen in other countries are overwhemingly one way against the ruling dicatorial elites.

US allies in the region like Bahrain and Yemen are using brute force to crack down on pro democracy demostrators, just like Gadaffi is doing. It will look hypocritical taking action against Libya but not them.

Many countries such as China and Russia object to the interference in another countries internal affairs.

The US military is very stretched and would rather not get involved in a civil war that in no way threatens US strategic interests nor presents a clear and present danger to Americans. But enforcing a no fly zone is something it can accept as it doesn't really require boots on the ground.

The West isn't very popular in the amongst Arab worlds population for many reasons and apart from the leaders of the rebel army, no one actually wants them to do anything and just stay away for once. They would rather ask the leaders of countries they respect such as Turkey and Brazil to mediate a ceasefire and end the bloodshed. There are unconfirmed reports Gadaffi has said he is willing to leave the country through negotiations which are worth pursuing to stop the war.

I suspect the no fly zone is to help the rebels win the war as that's when the tide turned against them, when Gaddafi deployed his air force.



Badassbab said:

It's obvious why so many countries including the US were very hesitant to do anything straight away.

First of all Libya was brought back into the international fold after it renounced WMDs and Western (and China, Russia etc) companies were once allowed to do business there after the lifting of sanctions.

The Libya situation is more complex than in the other countries. It's practically a civil war. The other pro democracy protests we've seen in other countries are overwhemingly one way against the ruling dicatorial elites.

US allies in the region like Bahrain and Yemen are using brute force to crack down on pro democracy demostrators, just like Gadaffi is doing. It will look hypocritical taking action against Libya but not them.

Many countries such as China and Russia object to the interference in another countries internal affairs.

The US military is very stretched and would rather not get involved in a civil war that in no way threatens US strategic interests nor presents a clear and present danger to Americans. But enforcing a no fly zone is something it can accept as it doesn't really require boots on the ground.

The West isn't very popular in the amongst Arab worlds population for many reasons and apart from the leaders of the rebel army, no one actually wants them to do anything and just stay away for once. They would rather ask the leaders of countries they respect such as Turkey and Brazil to mediate a ceasefire and end the bloodshed. There are unconfirmed reports Gadaffi has said he is willing to leave the country through negotiations which are worth pursuing to stop the war.

I suspect the no fly zone is to help the rebels win the war as that's when the tide turned against them, when Gaddafi deployed his air force.

Lucky then two Arab nations are joining the military operation.