@pizzahut451:

You dissapoint me, spaphis snake...

I do have a life outside this forum, you know?

You said Christians were uneducated because Christianity forbidds freedom of thinking. I said, it was the corupted church that forbided it, beauseit feared someone might see the how wrong they interpret the Bible and with what kind of un justice they treat their people.

The Church was the religion. Therefore the religion forbade education.

The religion itself depends on the message its delievering to the world, how many corrupted and evil people choose to twist it and use has nothing to do with thre religion itself. You'd think logic like that would have been obvious. How can Jesus Christ be responsible for the deeds evil people did in the name of his religion.

|It's to be debated whether Jesus wanted to be worshipped and to form a religion in the first place. As for the twisting, after all this time whatever Christianity was meant to represent is forgotten.

Well, I was talking about the church in the time of communism. I dont beleivechurch in romania is doing those things now, when communism fell apart, do they

No, now they're actually running a car wash business actually (not joking), among other things.

Exactly, it doesnt. So the Christianity has no word over running the country of Russia. And blaspehy can be illegal when its considerd as a hate crime/speech in some cases.

Actually the Russian Orthodox Church directly participates in state matters. They even have a representative in the Senate I beleive.

Yet, there are secular countries in the world (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen...) and as far as I heard they dont persecute Christians or jews or anything.

This makes no sense. The countries you mentioned are Islamic theocracies, not secular countries. Heck, Saudi Arabia's "constitution" is the Koran.

The simple well recognised historic fact that when another religous empire conquers your own, you are pretty much forced, one way or the other, to convert to the specific religion. And considering the Spanish were forced to convert to islam, there are high chances they were Europeans.

They were Muslims regardless (their religion, and their education).

That doesnt make the Church and the people who only call themselfes christians, yet they did everything agisnt Christ's teachings look bad. Why are you so narrow minded and about this subject? Is it hatred for Christians or just ignorance?

Christ's teachings can be interpreted in various ways. Also, since Christ never actually wrote anything, there's no proof "his teachings" are actually "his teachings".

Proof...? I higly doubt you can find it.

Actually it's a well documented fact that Christians were largely illiterate 'till the Protestant Reformation (they actually cared about education, as they considered that all people needed to be able to read religious texts). Most Christians didn't need to know how to read, and only the clergy would learn during the Middle Ages.  Muslims had schools were people were obligated to go, so most of them were literate (people were encouraged to study religious texts over there, so they needed to know how to read). I could scan you my texts from Uni, but they're in Romanian. You can do research about this by yourself, if you won't take my word for it.

I didnt say they werent responsible for colonisation of Americas, i said their religion, Christianity, had very little to nothing to do with it. Dont twist words

They considered it their duty to invade and convert the natives. The fact that the natives were pagans also made killing them easier.

Ugh, you are aware that Ottoman empire existed even in the Middle Ages, right? And you said ''muslims'# so I was assuming you were talking about muslims overall.

We were talking about the Moors and Arabs, not the Ottomans. I'll be more specific next time.

Also, what happend to my other points? Are you finally letting go of this debate? :)

I've let go of this debate a month ago (LOL).

I answered Jedi on my census form, but no religion.

Did you forget to respond?

LOL. Is that actually an option?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

No, it's write-in. 300,000 people put Jedi in the last Census causing some humorous news articles and press releases, and I thought I'd join in this time. I'd like to see the laws that religious organisations are exempt from taxes and, for example, free to select pupils for religion in state schools made a mockery of by Jedi becoming a recognised religion.

You can actually go to jail for false Census answers, but I think I could 'prove' my faith stronger than many Christians if they asked.

Hahahahahaha...

Catholic christian.

Gonna had some things to the topic - although i stopped following it on page 20.
It`s really a shame to see here people make fun of other people`s views with direct insults or sarcasm. I find it hard to understand why people judge religions for their past like it is it`s present.  If you are expecting religions to be perfect, it`s not gonna happen. Humans are what make them imperfect. We were given everything. It`s our fault when we can`t show it for what it truly is.
If you are going to "dissect" religion don`t rationalize it too much. Faith is a very important part of any religion and something that explains "in person" what religions actually are and why they exist to this day.

If you read carefully there`s a lot of animosity towards religions and belief in general. Curious, right?

just reclick reply or quote and hit ctrl-z...

what makes sense to me. So I guess I don't follow a religion.

O_o

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