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theprof00 said:

Also, there is no Gross Hellscream.

There is Garrosh and Grom. And those are the same person.

And that character dies in warcraft 3. Not sure if he is even in WoW.

i drop something like this and all conversation dies.



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Prof killed the thread with his nerdage!



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

Also, there is no Gross Hellscream.

There is Garrosh and Grom. And those are the same person.

And that character dies in warcraft 3. Not sure if he is even in WoW.

i drop something like this and all conversation dies.


The conversation dies because you read what you want to read or hear. Then add confusion.

I basically said I was wrong. There's no proof i/FF was bussed or if there even is a bus driver. I concluded that I was blocked because that was the only thing that made sense when outlaw said he tracked me and I was home.

So your big post of scenarios is null for now. Linkz technically confirmed I was blocked and that I wasn't informed. A conclusion I've already reached.

You're making it more complicated than it is. Killer targets FF > I protect FF > Auron tracks me > Blocker blocks me > end 

keep the  discussion logically flowing. I admit I made a mistake. And it's because I'm used to PM confirmations when sombody is blocked.



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Linkzmax said:

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roleblocker

"The target's night choice will not be performed, and the target may or may not be informed he was blocked"

I will not discuss in-thread how I'd handle a bus driver's actions(other roles may or may not be informed of the switch) as that would mod-confirm it's existence or lack thereof. I'll share my opinion post-game.


Yeah, I  checked that earlier after my previous posts. Left a bitter taste in my mouth but I accept however you wish to run the game.

I just wish i thought it through AND CONSIDERED A ROLE BLOCKER. aGAIN, LACK OF pm CONFIRMATION MADE ME BELIEVE THERE WAS NO WAY i WAS BLOCKED.

Edit: lol accidental caps.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Oh, it's Grom! Not Gross!

I read my PM days ago -_-



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TruckOSaurus said:

Okay let me get this straight... I'm going to assume everyone who revealed information is telling the truth for the time being to see if we can get a plausible scenario.

- hatmoza protects Final-Fan but he dies anyway.

- outlaw tracks hatmoza who said he went out but outlaw gets a "Stayed at home" result

This indeed points to a busser who switched hatmoza and Final-Fan last night.

Problem #1: Why switch two high profile players together? If the intention of the bus driver was to protect hatmoza why not switch him out with a lurker? (I wanna state that I really really don't want to consider the possibility of a Mafia Bus Driver since it was established this was a broken role)

Problem #2: outlaw received a "Stayed at home" result, if we assume the above switch, it would mean Final-Fan did not watch anyone last night which is highly unlikely.  I guess Final-Fan being role-blocked could possibly explain this since a blocked person would "stay home".

So all in all nothing is impossible and both hatmoza's and outlaw's version can be true at the same time but this also means we're dealing with lots of town power roles which in return means a strong Mafia.

No, I was roleblocked. Fucking whores can't get enough of me in these mafia games.

That's why outlaw found me at home, and that's why I live and FF is dead.

The busser was the only explanation I could come up with other than being roleblocked, and since we're not being informed about being blocked. I honestly didn't know I was. I believed so badly that my night action went through. A bus driver was the only explanation.

And I'm seriously beating a dead horse, again.

I hope you guys understand.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

How many pages have we had about how possibly someone else died last night? Lol



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*

I'm for a lynch vote for a lurker (or if we can get a modkill) as I don't think there is quite enough info to make a good case towards anyone.



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hatmoza said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

Also, there is no Gross Hellscream.

There is Garrosh and Grom. And those are the same person.

And that character dies in warcraft 3. Not sure if he is even in WoW.

i drop something like this and all conversation dies.


The conversation dies because you read what you want to read or hear. Then add confusion.

I basically said I was wrong. There's no proof i/FF was bussed or if there even is a bus driver. I concluded that I was blocked because that was the only thing that made sense when outlaw said he tracked me and I was home.

So your big post of scenarios is null for now. Linkz technically confirmed I was blocked and that I wasn't informed. A conclusion I've already reached.

You're making it more complicated than it is. Killer targets FF > I protect FF > Auron tracks me > Blocker blocks me > end 

keep the  discussion logically flowing. I admit I made a mistake. And it's because I'm used to PM confirmations when sombody is blocked.

Actually the post you quoted was about your name. Grom isn't in WoW either. He appears in a quest line in burning crusade as a video of sorts from when he died, but he's all blue and hazy.

I'm asking how you could flub your own name and the conversation die.

FYI, I was trying to find a way that your story made sense without having to have you roleclaim. You could've simply let my theory stand in place of the truth and been done with the whole thing. I found a way that everything fit.

You were the one that decided to roleclaim haphazardly. You were the one that made that comment yesterday. You were the one making things as difficult as possibly even throwin unrelated accusations in posts to other people (FoS wonk).

I know by this point (well, I hope I know) that you're pro-town, but you've been acting B-A-N-A-N-A-S



hatmoza said:
outlawauron said:

This has turned quite intriguing. I'm surprised that me and hat are the only ones to provide real detail about the night (outside of those just role claimin')


That's what I was trying to do. Play the game by providing information without roleclaiming. But seeing how Gnizmo, Wonk, prof, etc only seem to care about roles and power-roleclaims as a means to prove everything. It's hard hard getting through to some players.

Therefore, I fell in the trap, and roleclaimed.


It wasn't so much that what role you had was important. It was that you were so sure that events happened in such a specific way while outlaw was saying you stayed home that was really troubling. So I asked questions eventually came to the conclusion that you were a bomber after you said that your role is best when no one knows it. That however would require you to be lying and trying to set scum up to kill you just to die themselves.

You just being roleblocked just not informed you were roleblocked makes more sence.

Now with it being possible that you both are being truthful. That would means there was a watcher a tracker and a bodyguard. All pro town. That there is a role-blocker out there that we don't know who he's affiliated with. In addition to there being someone else out there capable of doing night-kills where once again we have no idea of the affiliation.

I'm trying to think of a coarse of action that would be most beneficial to the town but no idea I have can get past a mafia role-blocker.