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greenmedic88 on 14 March 2011
dsister said:
greenmedic88 said:

Legally, there was no mention of "Supports Linux" advertised anywhere. If there was, feel free to direct everyone to it.

If SCE wanted to play legal games, seeing as how there seem to be those who think they really know the law, they could just release a not-Linux "Other OS" that was effectively useless.

If anyone wants to argue that they should legally be able to use any firmware on their console dating back to say 2006, claiming that they must legally be able to play any current software being released, many of which won't run without memory optimized firmware updates (for those who don't understand how that works, current versions of firmware use less RAM than older versions, freeing up available memory for developers to optimize their games), they can feel free to hold out a tin cup for donations for their legal case too.

It was on every Amazon page in the world. That's why they paid out the teeth after Sony removed it. It was also in one of those stupid "It can only do everything" commercials... Not to mention Phil harrison pimping it out all over IGN saying you don't need a PC anymore

That would still be removing otherOS support...

Now you are just rambling.

And that's why Amazon paid through the teeth and Sony didn't. Also, I don't see how it could have been in one of SCE's "It can only do everything commercials" considering that the ad campaign you're referencing didn't start until well AFTER the PS3 slim was released, which as everyone knows, never supported Other OS.

And no, if it was a legal issue that they were found liable for, they would restore an "otherOS" support of their choosing because once again, Linux support was never explicitly advertised nor included in the feature set. What Phil Harrison said is completely irrelevant; plenty of inane things were said by SCE in regards to the PS3 launch that have zero bearing on legal liability. 

Do we need a chart to make the whole updated firmware concept easier to understand? Older firmware uses more system RAM. Older games have less system RAM available to run. Newer firmware uses less system RAM. Newer games written to run on newer firmware may use that now unallocated system RAM to run optimally, or in some cases run at all as they won't run with less system RAM.

This is just one of many reasons for updated firmware and the reason why any game requiring updated firmware (whether it's to make use of freed up system RAM, security measures, whatever; it's irrelevant so long as it runs) would have the updater on the game disk. Nobody's liable because an end user can't run new software on an older version of a no longer supported (any previous firmware) version of the OS.

Disagree? Then reference a case that shows how any new software written for Windows or Mac OS for example, must run on any previous version of an operating system with the idea that Microsoft or Apple is legally liable if it doesn't.



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Don86 on 14 March 2011

Thanks to people like graf_chokolo we have stuff like this -

But the good news is I saw from one of the youtube comments that this was patched recently.

Finally!



dsister on 14 March 2011
DonFerrari said:

You do realize that they never said in the commercial that Other/OS support would exist forever or printed in the box it??

What amazon advertise is their problem not Sony... and if you think that this is bad propaganda (to remove support after some years)... why don't you sue your car maker when you don't find a component for your car 30 years after it have been made and for the same price you would have paid at the time?

@last post... yes don't blame the person that hacked through the security or the bugglar let complain about the person that haven't made it hard enough... are you serious?

Phil Harrison made a huge deal about it to IGN. That is advertising... look up the definition

[More annoying rambling that has nothing to do with the topic at hand]

Oh my gosh, I am so close to flaming you. You aren't even sure what we are talking about here, do you? Honestly... Graf has done nothing, nothing... He didn't release any code to play pirated games, cheat on games, load custom firmware nothing of that sort. He simply released his info on the work he has been doing on the hypervisor. That's all



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dsister on 14 March 2011
greenmedic88 said:

And that's why Amazon paid through the teeth and Sony didn't. Also, I don't see how it could have been in one of SCE's "It can only do everything commercials" considering that the ad campaign you're referencing didn't start until well AFTER the PS3 slim was released, which as everyone knows, never supported Other OS.

And no, if it was a legal issue that they were found liable for, they would restore an "otherOS" support of their choosing because once again, Linux support was never explicitly advertised nor included in the feature set. What Phil Harrison said is completely irrelevant; plenty of inane things were said by SCE in regards to the PS3 launch that have zero bearing on legal liability. 

Do we need a chart to make the whole updated firmware concept easier to understand? Older firmware uses more system RAM. Older games have less system RAM available to run. Newer firmware uses less system RAM. Newer games written to run on newer firmware may use that now unallocated system RAM to run optimally, or in some cases run at all as they won't run with less system RAM.

This is just one of many reasons for updated firmware and the reason why any game requiring updated firmware (whether it's to make use of freed up system RAM, security measures, whatever; it's irrelevant so long as it runs) would have the updater on the game disk. Nobody's liable because an end user can't run new software on an older version of a no longer supported (any previous firmware) version of the OS.

Disagree? Then reference a case that shows how any new software written for Windows or Mac OS for example, must run on any previous version of an operating system with the idea that Microsoft or Apple is legally liable if it doesn't.

It is entirely possible that it was photoshopped I suppose. I remembered seeing it once long ago and never seeing it again .

Then you would still be running a Sony OS... OtherOS is awesome. There are several different ones to choose from. When the president or whatever Harrison is goes on and makes a huge fuss about a feature in order to get people to buy it? Guess what that is? An advertisement :o

Because it's so early I'm not even wure what we are arguing about here.. I'll get back to it after school...



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DonFerrari on 14 March 2011
greenmedic88 said:
dsister said:
greenmedic88 said:

Legally, there was no mention of "Supports Linux" advertised anywhere. If there was, feel free to direct everyone to it.

If SCE wanted to play legal games, seeing as how there seem to be those who think they really know the law, they could just release a not-Linux "Other OS" that was effectively useless.

If anyone wants to argue that they should legally be able to use any firmware on their console dating back to say 2006, claiming that they must legally be able to play any current software being released, many of which won't run without memory optimized firmware updates (for those who don't understand how that works, current versions of firmware use less RAM than older versions, freeing up available memory for developers to optimize their games), they can feel free to hold out a tin cup for donations for their legal case too.

It was on every Amazon page in the world. That's why they paid out the teeth after Sony removed it. It was also in one of those stupid "It can only do everything" commercials... Not to mention Phil harrison pimping it out all over IGN saying you don't need a PC anymore

That would still be removing otherOS support...

Now you are just rambling.

And that's why Amazon paid through the teeth and Sony didn't. Also, I don't see how it could have been in one of SCE's "It can only do everything commercials" considering that the ad campaign you're referencing didn't start until well AFTER the PS3 slim was released, which as everyone knows, never supported Other OS.

And no, if it was a legal issue that they were found liable for, they would restore an "otherOS" support of their choosing because once again, Linux support was never explicitly advertised nor included in the feature set. What Phil Harrison said is completely irrelevant; plenty of inane things were said by SCE in regards to the PS3 launch that have zero bearing on legal liability. 

Do we need a chart to make the whole updated firmware concept easier to understand? Older firmware uses more system RAM. Older games have less system RAM available to run. Newer firmware uses less system RAM. Newer games written to run on newer firmware may use that now unallocated system RAM to run optimally, or in some cases run at all as they won't run with less system RAM.

This is just one of many reasons for updated firmware and the reason why any game requiring updated firmware (whether it's to make use of freed up system RAM, security measures, whatever; it's irrelevant so long as it runs) would have the updater on the game disk. Nobody's liable because an end user can't run new software on an older version of a no longer supported (any previous firmware) version of the OS.

Disagree? Then reference a case that shows how any new software written for Windows or Mac OS for example, must run on any previous version of an operating system with the idea that Microsoft or Apple is legally liable if it doesn't.


I would love to see people suing MS because Windows 3.11 don't suport DirectX11 and new games.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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DonFerrari on 14 March 2011
dsister said:
DonFerrari said:

You do realize that they never said in the commercial that Other/OS support would exist forever or printed in the box it??

What amazon advertise is their problem not Sony... and if you think that this is bad propaganda (to remove support after some years)... why don't you sue your car maker when you don't find a component for your car 30 years after it have been made and for the same price you would have paid at the time?

@last post... yes don't blame the person that hacked through the security or the bugglar let complain about the person that haven't made it hard enough... are you serious?

Phil Harrison made a huge deal about it to IGN. That is advertising... look up the definition

[More annoying rambling that has nothing to do with the topic at hand]

Oh my gosh, I am so close to flaming you. You aren't even sure what we are talking about here, do you? Honestly... Graf has done nothing, nothing... He didn't release any code to play pirated games, cheat on games, load custom firmware nothing of that sort. He simply released his info on the work he has been doing on the hypervisor. That's all


Go there and flame me if you think what i said is offensive, just not sure what you tought is offensive...

Probably keep saying people are annoying and just ramble at topics is much more offensive than making analogies to your excuses saying that if someone break a security is the designer fault and "crime" it did happen and the breaker is some kind of saint that were pressured to do it.

Try release your work on how to circunvent security on bank systems and see if court and costumers will be pleased.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dsister on 14 March 2011

It's not what you said offended me perse. It's just made in error and was woefully uninformed. I must ask do you know what Graf_chocolo has done??



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Chairman-Mao on 14 March 2011

...yeah he's fighting for Other OS...its not about pirating free games at all...its about Linux...

Arrrr maateeyyy we got a pirate walking among us! He shall walk the plank!



dsister on 14 March 2011
greenmedic88 said:

Do we need a chart to make the whole updated firmware concept easier to understand? Older firmware uses more system RAM. Older games have less system RAM available to run. Newer firmware uses less system RAM. Newer games written to run on newer firmware may use that now unallocated system RAM to run optimally, or in some cases run at all as they won't run with less system RAM.

This is just one of many reasons for updated firmware and the reason why any game requiring updated firmware (whether it's to make use of freed up system RAM, security measures, whatever; it's irrelevant so long as it runs) would have the updater on the game disk. Nobody's liable because an end user can't run new software on an older version of a no longer supported (any previous firmware) version of the OS.

Disagree? Then reference a case that shows how any new software written for Windows or Mac OS for example, must run on any previous version of an operating system with the idea that Microsoft or Apple is legally liable if it doesn't.

Ok, yes, the firmware released hs changed the lanscape of the PS3. But, if someone supports the PS3 better then Sony it should be within your rights as the consumer to switch to them. If someone gives me the ability to play PS2 games, run otherOS, better media capabilities, English patches for Japanese games(ToV is getting one, or so I've heard :)), and even games that are only playable on cfw. Whereas Sony only seems to be taking away features. Who do you think I'll be going to? 

Yes, It's nice and all to go yelling at these people calling them cheaters, thieves, and pirates. And cheering as Sony is trys to financially ruin their lives. I hope you have fun on consoles that are tied to one company next gen... I'm just glad you aren't a fan of Operating Systems. Would hate for you to call foul when someone tries to bring an alternative to it...

Your hypothetical makes no sense. The PS3 is a gaming machines(more now then ever). PCs are upgradeable, MS can't tell people to support every operating system they released. And you fully expect for your operating system to become out of date and no longer play PC games. Not so for the PS3, it's sole job should be to play PS3 games. If it can't do that then it fail 



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dsister on 14 March 2011
Chairman-Mao said:

...yeah he's fighting for Other OS...its not about pirating free games at all...its about Linux...

Arrrr maateeyyy we got a pirate walking among us! He shall walk the plank!


Do you know what his reseach is?  



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