I have seen the Killzone 3 ad many time on TV. The problem isn't the amount of advertising, it's the ad itself. The Kevin Butler thing is getting old, and the ad does nothing to get people excited about the game. Contrast it to the COD:BO ads which were pretty fantastic, and probably sold several million copies just because of the ad.

The main problem with the Killzone 3 ad, it has no identity. It's relying on the PS3 identity, not the Killzone identity. The ad is just another in a long line of used car salesman Kevin Butler saying a bunch of stupid stuff. Funny the first couple of times, old and tired now.

Eh, it was still plenty easy for people to claim that back when they both didn't have many differences too.

You'd be surprised just how much brand effects opinion... and not in a consious way either.

Look at companies that make a branded food, and then put the same food in lesser named brand as well, like cambells.

When given both, to someone for a taste test they often rank stuff widely differently.

Heck, even packaging can VASTLY change your opinion of stuff... hence why people pay a LOT of money to figure out just the right ice cream package or wine bottle.

Actual enjoyment of a game is muuuuuch less based on the qualties of the game then people realize.  Though most people hate to admit that because of the pure madness that brings towards talking about your personal opinion of something. 

Since a game you hated, might of been awesome to you had you been in a better mood when you played it, and the cover been different raising different expectations.

Still boggles my mind that Kinect has sold as much as it did, looking at its library. I mean what games are people playing with this thing?

this. With the right support this could be awesome

mhmm what a totally unexpected comment from you. I mean I am totally shocked.

The unit is actually really fun. If people want to play things like Kinect Sports consistently they need a kinect for example.

I agree they are competing with each other more than Wii for sure.  I just meant Move was developed as Sony's answer to Wii as was Kinect, and they of course - due to how closely PS3/360 compete for sales as you rightly note - have ended up in competition, however they weren't designed specifically to top the other but to top the Wii.

I've always been in the camp that a lot of Wii sales/demand is seperate from the HD consoles - i.e. many Wii purchasers never consider PS3/360 as an alternative - although that is probably changing a bit in the wake of Move/Kinect.  Mostly though I still believe they appeal to different demographics and its clear even MS were caught by surprise by how many existing 360 owners bought the Kinect.

In some ways it's just semantics but hey - arguing those is what forums are for!

It's worth remembering that a fair chunck of the sales were to existing owners.  In fact I believe this was a major factor in MS upping their initial estimates so much: I'm sure they actually seriously underestimated the interest existing owners would show.

The pricing on 360/Kinect bundles is also very attractive, too.

This isn't knocking Kinect, but if you look at how much the existing install base embraced it, plus how well MS made buying a 360 with Kinect seem much better value than buying a 360 without Kinect, you can see how the conditions existed for massive sales.

It's interesting to note that, ignoring adventures as a pack in, the SW hasn't really matched the Kinect HW sales, indicated that many Kinect owners aren't buying up titles for the system but instead having fun with Adventures and using it's new interface options.  With Sports sales below the hardware, for example, we can see that some owners have yet to buy a single Kinect title as a standalone purchase.

Move I'd note shares some characteristics of this as well, with plenty of owners clearly buying it for existing titles like RE5 or Heavy Rain and sticking with Sports Champions (that is those lucky enough to get it as a pack in).

I'd actually be crious to know the sum total of Move sales as well - by that I mean every Wand, navi, etc.  I think it would be pretty large as most tracking seems to be tracking the Move starting configuration and maybe the Wands.  Pretty much everyone I know with a Wand has by now bought a navi for example.   I'm pretty sure both MS and Sony are seeing a lot of profitable sales from their new peripherals.

The 360 has hundreds of games so I don't know what your talking about.

hahaha he was talking about kinect haha

I am not surprised, Kinect is the better product in my opinion.