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jarrod on 10 March 2011
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:

NGP doesn't need MH4, the PSP made that game. That game was merly nothing before it came to the PSP.  Now, it's simply the biggest 3rd party game in Japan. Capcom would be stupid not that have that game on the NGP. 

If PSP is such a king maker, why is it nothing but MoHun can move a million units on the system?

PSP might as well have been a Capcom system, they're single handedly responsible for any success the system has seen.  Sony's been practically asleep at the wheel.


you love list, right. Psp gets about 60% of the games made in Japan, a million or not, you want success as a third party, the PSP is your best choice in Japan.

If you remove ADV shovelware from the equation, PSP gets more like 10% of the games made in Japan.  Though that's admittedly still more than Wii (lol).

Funny enough though, Wii still sold more games overall in Japan than PSP has even.  And DS has sold more 3rd party games alone than PSP has sold games total.



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psrock on 10 March 2011
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:

NGP doesn't need MH4, the PSP made that game. That game was merly nothing before it came to the PSP.  Now, it's simply the biggest 3rd party game in Japan. Capcom would be stupid not that have that game on the NGP. 

If PSP is such a king maker, why is it nothing but MoHun can move a million units on the system?

PSP might as well have been a Capcom system, they're single handedly responsible for any success the system has seen.  Sony's been practically asleep at the wheel.


you love list, right. Psp gets about 60% of the games made in Japan, a million or not, you want success as a third party, the PSP is your best choice in Japan.

If you remove ADV shovelware from the equation, PSP gets more like 10% of the games made in Japan.  Though that's admittedly still more than Wii (lol).

Funny enough though, Wii still sold more games overall in Japan than PSP has even.  And DS has sold more 3rd party games alone than PSP has sold games total.

I was hoping for a list. The PSP has come a long way to where it is today, there's no comparing it to the DS, as it really got all the support for years. The DS had games the Wii should have had, but little by little, The PSP got stronger, found its niche and as strong as a brand in Japan as any other system. 

While it's hard to really outsell a a device that has Pokemon, Super Mario, Mari Kart , Dragon Quest, no other second place has done as well as the PSP, ever.  

The Wii sells first party games, tons of it which I am happy about and has allowed even the 360 to get better support. God I missed the thread on how the Last Story was going to replace Final Fantasy. 



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M.U.G.E.N on 10 March 2011
jarrod said:
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? how the heck is those two markets merging? you rant on and on about japanese psyche etc etc yet you end up with sales as your argument at the end of the day. NOT THE SAME MARKET! period. again just because handhelds sell more does not mean markets are merging or suddenly how the Japanese market think they are one in the same. Just a narrow minded and wrong way of looking at things. don't worry I doubt you CAN be any clearer how wrong you are. I see smart phones selling loads but I don't suddenly imagine a world where Smart phones are the market leader for everything gaming. There is a reason why the HW is different, there IS a reason why people keep buying HOME consoles along side handhelds, there is a reason why home consoles are still getting some great game support from devs...because there is still a market for them that is DIFFERENT from the handheld audience. You are right, I do not comprehend how anyone with even a simple understanding of what different markets mean would not understand this simple fact. oh wait nvm I think I answered my own Q there.

again just because the current home console leader is weak and performing poorly does not mean it's not the market leader in that segment. It's just a rather weak one which third parties seem to have let go of. Luckily ps3 is still getting a nice stream of games regularly, cuz some Japanese citizens apparently did not get the handhelds and home console merger memo.


It IS the same market.  It's where the developer interest is, where the publisher attention is, the press coverage is, and most importantly where the audience has gone.  And yet you're still hung up on comparing userbase with smartphones or whatever?  And I'm the one who's narrowminded? LOL

And wtf at that last cheerleading paragraph?  Have you been paying attention to JP sales at all the past several years?  PS3 is Japan's biggest scale failure since N64 (only N64 actually sold games), it's still getting  a stream of support for reasons that have almost nothing to with it's actual performance in Japan.  Hell, 360's getting most of the same games anyway, and it's an unqualified non-entity in the region.  Wii's hardly alone in this, ALL home consoles are "performing poorly" in Japan this cycle.  At least 360 and Wii can boast to have tripled/quadrupled sales gen over gen, rather than quartering them... the decline of home consoles in Japan can be linked most directly to the decline of PlayStation in Japan.


-_- ok nvm with that statement you made you just proved what type of a dreamy world you live in. LOl indeed. Press coverage does dictate what a market is. Publishers not making games for home consoles really shows that it's the same market. oh wait. but yea nvm you are absolutely right, what you mentioned are definitely what dictates what a market is or not. Brilliant logic there...

cheerleading? :P now now don't get pissy. I'm just stating a fact. All your ramblings about Japanese PSYCHE etc etc you always end up with HW and SW sales and entries. I repeat just because Wii, despite being the market leader for the market it repesents, is weak and perforiming even worse than a console that is more expensive than it and has been for some time DOES not mean you can define your own lil theory on what a market is and why handheld and home console are the SAME market. I repeat, not the same market.

and true if PS3 did better home console sales market would have done better imo too. You are right, sony dropped the ball there. nintendo is not at fault here by any means. Sony would have surely proved to be a better market leader imo too. At least it's getting more SW support than the current market leader. At least those silly people who bought a home console without knowing about the 'new reality' you seem to be aware of will get something to keep them company. Good things the devs who make exclusive home consoles didn't get your memo either. For the sake of those who do not share the same Japanese Psyche as you do, please don't send it to them..pleeeeeeeease?

 



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ExtremeBrawler on 10 March 2011
psrock said:
ExtremeBrawler said:
psrock said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
psrock said:

NGP doesn't need MH4, the PSP made that game. That game was merly nothing before it came to the PSP.  Now, it's simply the biggest 3rd party game in Japan. Capcom would be stupid not that have that game on the NGP. 


I think they will port the current game to 3DS tho, as MH3DS or something. But yeah they will be stupid to not support NGP with MH. Then again I think the next NEW entry might be for ps3

I'm starting to thing the 3ds will get the PSP port as well, it will sell decent, maybe wii like numbers. 


There is a very simple way to offer a MH game for 3DS that is different from the Portable Saga,and not being some spin-offesque offering:the non Portable series.

MH3G will be on 3DS.This Christmas,sign it :P

it will be goin against some Mario Game for sure. And, you'll see wh it's on the PSP.


This year,presumably,Nintendo will launch Mario Kart as its main Holiday title...like it was for the first year of DS,that had also Animal Crossing.

These two titles were both aimed to a expanded audience,even if in two different ways,and they not only obtained to live togheter,but also destroyed the competition together.

So,I can see perfectly Mario Kart 3D (let's call it in this way for now) and MH3G staying together...and even helping toghether the hardware to rise to heaven,and also its more remarkable software,like AC e MK did in Holiday 2005.

It's true that MH is not a Nintendo brand,but it is,now,one of the few brands with the power of Nintendo ones.

Moreover...it's the first Christmas after launch,the userbase will be ready to buy lots and lots of games,because of the expansion and so many other factors that influence the software sales in the first...let's say...two years of every successful platform(for example,every launch game has outstanding legs).

Finally,MH3 has been released in August 2009...this Christmas,will be 1 and 1/2 year after the release...we will not see MHP3rd G so rapidly,so...



M.U.G.E.N on 10 March 2011
RolStoppable said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

-_- ok nvm with that statement you made you just proved what type of a dreamy world you live in. LOl indeed. Press coverage does dictate what a market is. Publishers not making games for home consoles really shows that it's the same market. oh wait. but yea nvm you are absolutely right, what you mentioned are definitely what dictates what a market is or not. Brilliant logic there...

cheerleading? :P now now don't get pissy. I'm just stating a fact. All your ramblings about Japanese PSYCHE etc etc you always end up with HW and SW sales and entries. I repeat just because Wii, despite being the market leader for the market it repesents, is weak and perforiming even worse than a console that is more expensive than it and has been for some time DOES not mean you can define your own lil theory on what a market is and why handheld and home console are the SAME market. I repeat, not the same market.

and true if PS3 did better home console sales market would have done better imo too. You are right, sony dropped the ball there. nintendo is not at fault here by any means. Sony would have surely proved to be a better market leader imo too. At least it's getting more SW support than the current market leader. At least those silly people who bought a home console without knowing about the 'new reality' you seem to be aware of will get something to keep them company. Good things the devs who make exclusive home consoles didn't get your memo either. For the sake of those who do not share the same Japanese Psyche as you do, please don't send it to them..pleeeeeeeease?

A mainline Dragon Quest title (or any series established on home consoles, really) going to a handheld was unthinkable in the past. If it isn't the same market (PS2 audience moving to DS as jarrod says), then how does such a move make sense?


market changed, didn't merge. Simple as that. As markets change things like what system a game goes to change as well, nothing new. We will see it next gen too without a doubt.



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psrock on 10 March 2011
ExtremeBrawler said:
psrock said:
ExtremeBrawler said:
psrock said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
psrock said:

NGP doesn't need MH4, the PSP made that game. That game was merly nothing before it came to the PSP.  Now, it's simply the biggest 3rd party game in Japan. Capcom would be stupid not that have that game on the NGP. 


I think they will port the current game to 3DS tho, as MH3DS or something. But yeah they will be stupid to not support NGP with MH. Then again I think the next NEW entry might be for ps3

I'm starting to thing the 3ds will get the PSP port as well, it will sell decent, maybe wii like numbers. 


There is a very simple way to offer a MH game for 3DS that is different from the Portable Saga,and not being some spin-offesque offering:the non Portable series.

MH3G will be on 3DS.This Christmas,sign it :P

it will be goin against some Mario Game for sure. And, you'll see wh it's on the PSP.


This year,presumably,Nintendo will launch Mario Kart as its main Holiday title...like it was for the first year of DS,that had also Animal Crossing.

These two titles were both aimed to a expanded audience,even if in two different ways,and they not only obtained to live togheter,but also destroyed the competition together.

So,I can see perfectly Mario Kart 3D (let's call it in this way for now) and MH3G staying together...and even helping toghether the hardware to rise to heaven,and also its more remarkable software,like AC e MK did in Holiday 2005.

It's true that MH is not a Nintendo brand,but it is,now,one of the few brands with the power of Nintendo ones.

Moreover...it's the first Christmas after launch,the userbase will be ready to buy lots and lots of games,because of the expansion and so many other factors that influence the software sales in the first...let's say...two years of every successful platform(for example,every launch game has outstanding legs).

Finally,MH3 has been released in August 2009...this Christmas,will be 1 and 1/2 year after the release...we will not see MHP3rd G so rapidly,so...


I agree 3DS won't see MH this year, it will get one though.



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jarrod on 10 March 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

-_- ok nvm with that statement you made you just proved what type of a dreamy world you live in. LOl indeed. Press coverage does dictate what a market is. Publishers not making games for home consoles really shows that it's the same market. oh wait. but yea nvm you are absolutely right, what you mentioned are definitely what dictates what a market is or not. Brilliant logic there...

cheerleading? :P now now don't get pissy. I'm just stating a fact. All your ramblings about Japanese PSYCHE etc etc you always end up with HW and SW sales and entries. I repeat just because Wii, despite being the market leader for the market it repesents, is weak and perforiming even worse than a console that is more expensive than it and has been for some time DOES not mean you can define your own lil theory on what a market is and why handheld and home console are the SAME market. I repeat, not the same market.

and true if PS3 did better home console sales market would have done better imo too. You are right, sony dropped the ball there. nintendo is not at fault here by any means. Sony would have surely proved to be a better market leader imo too. At least it's getting more SW support than the current market leader. At least those silly people who bought a home console without knowing about the 'new reality' you seem to be aware of will get something to keep them company. Good things the devs who make exclusive home consoles didn't get your memo either. For the sake of those who do not share the same Japanese Psyche as you do, please don't send it to them..pleeeeeeeease?

So... what exactly does dictate what the market is?  If you play your machine on the subway/toilet/couch or just on the couch?  That's it?

Sony's pretty much proven how well they can lead this gen.  The biggest userbase decline in Japanese history combined with a platform whose fluke success is attributable to Capcom alone pretty much.  Today's SCEI couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag.



ExtremeBrawler on 10 March 2011

...Wait,I said that MH3G will be released the end of THIS year,IMHO. XD

I've also made a mistake with the temporal distance from MH3:if MH3G is out this Holiday,it will be TWO years and an half from the original...wow,this year is really time for the return of the non-Portable saga.

And on 3DS.

With Mario Kart 3D.

And Inazuma Eleven Go. :P



jarrod on 10 March 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:


market changed, didn't merge. Simple as that. As markets change things like what system a game goes to change as well, nothing new. We will see it next gen too without a doubt.


Yeah, it changed.  It changed from PS2 directly to DS.  That's how the market "changed", lol.



psrock on 10 March 2011
jarrod said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

-_- ok nvm with that statement you made you just proved what type of a dreamy world you live in. LOl indeed. Press coverage does dictate what a market is. Publishers not making games for home consoles really shows that it's the same market. oh wait. but yea nvm you are absolutely right, what you mentioned are definitely what dictates what a market is or not. Brilliant logic there...

cheerleading? :P now now don't get pissy. I'm just stating a fact. All your ramblings about Japanese PSYCHE etc etc you always end up with HW and SW sales and entries. I repeat just because Wii, despite being the market leader for the market it repesents, is weak and perforiming even worse than a console that is more expensive than it and has been for some time DOES not mean you can define your own lil theory on what a market is and why handheld and home console are the SAME market. I repeat, not the same market.

and true if PS3 did better home console sales market would have done better imo too. You are right, sony dropped the ball there. nintendo is not at fault here by any means. Sony would have surely proved to be a better market leader imo too. At least it's getting more SW support than the current market leader. At least those silly people who bought a home console without knowing about the 'new reality' you seem to be aware of will get something to keep them company. Good things the devs who make exclusive home consoles didn't get your memo either. For the sake of those who do not share the same Japanese Psyche as you do, please don't send it to them..pleeeeeeeease?

So... what exactly does dictate what the market is?  If you play your machine on the subway/toilet/couch or just on the couch?  That's it?

Sony's pretty much proven how well they can lead this gen.  The biggest userbase decline in Japanese history combined with a platform whose fluke success is attributable to Capcom alone pretty much.  Today's SCEI couldn't lead their way out of a paper bag.

It's nice to see you freak out and again ignored the fact that with Sony fucking up, Nintendo Wii failed to lead which gave way to a handheld getting all the games. For a console that sells so much, it's a terrible leader which is why you pretend that market doesnt exist. 



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