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Zlejedi on 10 March 2011
megaman79 said:

3.5 weeks to go untill end of 2010 FY.

209k pw X 3.5

total thus far = 1.35 Million 3DS's.

Nintendo needs to sell 2.6 Million 3DS's in PAL/US to meet their 4 Million Projection.

I am slightly hesitant, as a Nintendo investor, that they won't meet this in 12 days of retail.

It won't be selling 200k per week.

Next week should be 150k ,then 120k and 100k



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megaman79 on 10 March 2011
Zlejedi said:
megaman79 said:

3.5 weeks to go untill end of 2010 FY.

209k pw X 3.5

total thus far = 1.35 Million 3DS's.

Nintendo needs to sell 2.6 Million 3DS's in PAL/US to meet their 4 Million Projection.

I am slightly hesitant, as a Nintendo investor, that they won't meet this in 12 days of retail.

It won't be selling 200k per week.

Next week should be 150k ,then 120k and 100k

We don't know that. We don't know how many more 3DS's came in the second shipment either.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 10 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:

3DS is monstrous and it looks like the PSP got a nice little boost!

The Wii is quieting down big time. I don't recall ever seeing it that low (unless my memory has failed me somewhere).


Not surprising: it's got RIIIIDDGGE RAAAACERRRR!!!!!   

But it lacks giant enemy crabs, so it will eventually fail...  O-) 



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jarrod on 10 March 2011

 

M.U.G.E.N said:

until the day you plug in your ds into your home tv for multiplayer games or until the day different members of the same house needs to buy a home console each...no not the same 'market'

some members might have switched to a different market but there are two very different markets for those products


The things is, the Japanese don't care.  Handhelds are becoming more console-like in capability, in visuals, in software, and they're effectively replacing them.  That's the point, today's game market in Japan doesn't slot down neatly between home and handheld lines like the west does... handhelds today literally are filling the needs home consoles used to.  Consumers aren't driving the switch either, the platforms themselves are.

When you look back at Japan's generational "market leaders", it's basically a direct line from Famicom to Super Famicom to PlayStation to PlayStation 2 to Nintendo DS.  Just because Wii is the best selling platform of it's kind, doesn't mean it's market leader.  

 

NYANKS said:

The 12 million people who bought a Wii in Japan would tend to disagree I think.  They didn't buy that because they mistook it for a DS.  They want games.  It's not their fault they're not getting them.  On PS3, games are doing pretty well.  

On PS3, games do pretty week for a week or two and then vanish from existence.  Make no mistake, no home console really has what one should call a healthy games market.

 

postofficebuddy said:

I've asked you about this multiple times now. What makes you so certain that NGP will cut so heavily into PS3 sales? PS2 went on to sell another 6 million after the PSP launch, which was effectively marketed as a portable PS2. And the scenario that you have Wii in basically assumes that DQX doesn't release until it's too late for it to have any effect, despite the fact that you seem to assume that it's coming this year.

lol, why is PS2 being brought into this?  How much did PS2 sell before PSP launched?  Now how much will PS3 have sold before NGP launches?

NGP makes PS3 an unnecessary platform from a Japanese perspective, that's what makes me so sure it's going to eat into sales.  It can do more or less everything PS3 can gaming wise, and more on top of that, for probably around the same cost.

And while DQX will undoubtedly give Wii a nice bump, I don't think it'll be anywhere near sustainable.  It's not NSMB or Wii Fit.

 

psrock said:
FinalEvangelion said:
psrock said:

By Jarrod belief, The PSP is the market leader right now in japan.


If it's convenient.  I'm not sure a Sony console would count as being convenient to him.


To be fair, he has acted like the Wii doesn't exist right now, while calling the top selling game this week  a disapointment. By ignoring the Wii, it assures that it doesn't exist thus cannot lead. 

lol, if you're going to try and troll me, you can at least start by actually responding to me rather than trying to put words in my mouth.  I thought we'd been through this before?

Market leaders are cumulative, thus PSP can't ever really be considered one.  It did do really well in the end though, thanks pretty much entirely to Capcom.  Sony better be shelling out the cash for MHP4, or NGP is fucked.

And the top selling game this week is a sequel that did about half what it's predecessor did and about half it's first shipment... if that's not a disappointment, then what is?  

 

Zlejedi said:
megaman79 said:

3.5 weeks to go untill end of 2010 FY.

209k pw X 3.5

total thus far = 1.35 Million 3DS's.

Nintendo needs to sell 2.6 Million 3DS's in PAL/US to meet their 4 Million Projection.

I am slightly hesitant, as a Nintendo investor, that they won't meet this in 12 days of retail.

It won't be selling 200k per week.

Next week should be 150k ,then 120k and 100k

Maybe, but for the first two weeks they've basically sold what they've supplied.  It's not a complete sellout, but it is sold out regionally, and stock is constantly moving even where there is supply.

More telling is that sellouts seem to be happening at department and general electronics stores, rather than specialty and game shops, meaning sales are likely much more weighted to the mainstream than the software sales would've implied.  Looks like PSP's going to hold on to the Otaku for awhile.



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SaviorX on 10 March 2011

Wii is dead. Can I venture a guess that no Wii game will pass 125k in Japan until...Zelda or DQX, whichever comes first?

Dragon Quest needs to save the Japanese console market! lol It is probably the last console game capable of selling 550k this generation in Japan.

PSP? Seriously I'm sorry... I don't wanna troll but why is it receiving the most support in Japan? The whole problem Japanese devs have been complaining about the past few years has  been the neglect of a global market, yet they are supportng the worst-selling global entity. It is just as stupid as Square Enix developing 360 exclusives in Japan. Mind you, they are making cash and sales are good in JAPAN, but their market is narrowed as a result. PSP is not relevant anywhere else. I am impressed it managed such high sales this week though.

360 still getting a fair amount of games to cover taxes on PS3 titles lol

PS3... it is getting the biggest games Japan can offer...but still cannot manage a non-holiday 30k week. It will take a while for a decline below 20k weekly but still...All these heavy-hitters and it is still gonna take months for the PSTriple to pass 7 million over there. It truly is the Sega Saturn/N64 of this generation in JP.

N64 (96-2001) Average HW sales per year: 1.11m (5.5/5)

Saturn (94-early 1999) Average HW sales per year: 1.28m (5.8/4.5)

PS3 (2006-2011). Assumptions: Now it is at 6.37m. 7.15 by the end of the year sounds fair. Avg. HW sales per year = 1.43m (7.15/5)



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jarrod on 10 March 2011
SaviorX said:

Wii is dead. Can I venture a guess that no Wii game will pass 125k in Japan until...Zelda or DQX, whichever comes first?

I would've said Inazuma Eleven Strikers would manage that, but now it's been delayed to a nebulous "summer" release, so Skyward Sword may end up releasing earlier.    

If something like Rhythm Heaven Wii comes out this spring though, that could do it.  Otherwise, yeah, I don't see any 125k Wii games until summer.



M.U.G.E.N on 10 March 2011
jarrod said:

 

M.U.G.E.N said:

until the day you plug in your ds into your home tv for multiplayer games or until the day different members of the same house needs to buy a home console each...no not the same 'market'

some members might have switched to a different market but there are two very different markets for those products


The things is, the Japanese don't care.  Handhelds are becoming more console-like in capability, in visuals, in software, and they're effectively replacing them.  That's the point, today's game market in Japan doesn't slot down neatly between home and handheld lines like the west does... handhelds today literally are filling the needs home consoles used to.  Consumers aren't driving the switch either, the platforms themselves are.

When you look back at Japan's generational "market leaders", it's basically a direct line from Famicom to Super Famicom to PlayStation to PlayStation 2 to Nintendo DS.  Just because Wii is the best selling platform of it's kind, doesn't mean it's market leader.  

 

NYANKS said:

The 12 million people who bought a Wii in Japan would tend to disagree I think.  They didn't buy that because they mistook it for a DS.  They want games.  It's not their fault they'e not getting them.  On PS3, games are doing pretty well.  

On PS3, games do pretty week for a week or two and then vanish from existence.  Make no mistake, no home console really has what one should call a healthy games market.

 

postofficebuddy said:

I've asked you about this multiple times now. What makes you so certain that NGP will cut so heavily into PS3 sales? PS2 went on to sell another 6 million after the PSP launch, which was effectively marketed as a portable PS2. And the scenario that you have Wii in basically assumes that DQX doesn't release until it's too late for it to have any effect, despite the fact that you seem to assume that it's coming this year.

lol, why is PS2 being brought into this?  How much did PS2 sell before PSP launched?  Now how much will PS3 have sold before NGP launches?

NGP makes PS3 an unnecessary platform from a Japanese perspective, that's what makes me so sure it's going to eat into sales.  It can do more or less everything PS3 can gaming wise, and more on top of that, for probably around the same cost.

And while DQX will undoubtedly give Wii a nice bump, I don't think it'll be anywhere near sustainable.  It's not NSMB or Wii Fit.

 

psrock said:
FinalEvangelion said:
psrock said:

By Jarrod belief, The PSP is the market leader right now in japan.


If it's convenient.  I'm not sure a Sony console would count as being convenient to him.


To be fair, he has acted like the Wii doesn't exist right now, while calling the top selling game this week  a disapointment. By ignoring the Wii, it assures that it doesn't exist thus cannot lead. 

lol, if you're going to try and troll me, you can at least start by actually responding to me rather than trying to put words in my mouth.  I thought we'd been through this before?

Market leaders are cumulative, thus PSP can't ever really be considered one.  It did do really well in the end though, thanks pretty much entirely to Capcom.  Sony better be shelling out the cash for MHP4, or NGP is fucked.

And the top selling game this week is a sequel that did about half what it's predecessor did and about half it's first shipment... if that's not a disappointment, then what is?  

 

Zlejedi said:
megaman79 said:

3.5 weeks to go untill end of 2010 FY.

209k pw X 3.5

total thus far = 1.35 Million 3DS's.

Nintendo needs to sell 2.6 Million 3DS's in PAL/US to meet their 4 Million Projection.

I am slightly hesitant, as a Nintendo investor, that they won't meet this in 12 days of retail.

It won't be selling 200k per week.

Next week should be 150k ,then 120k and 100k

Maybe, but for the first two weeks they've basically sold what they've supplied.  It's not a complete sellout, but it is sold out regionally, and stock is constantly moving even where there is supply.

More telling is that sellouts seem to be happening at department and general electronics stores, rather than specialty and game shops, meaning sales are likely much more weighted to the mainstream than the software sales would've implied.  Looks like PSP's going to hold on to the Otaku for awhile.


I'm answering to your response to me

You are missing the point here completely. It doesn't MATTER if a market is shrinking and if the other is expanding relative to it. you can't just combine markets as 'you' see fit. Home consoles and handhelds cater to 'different' audiences. Guess who buys home consoles? People who wants them!

I repeat DIFFERENT markets. If Japanese are losing interest, that's all good. It just means 'handheld' market is expanding in Japan, nothing more nothing less. You are just running around this for some reason.

So fact of the matter is, handheld market leader in Jp = DS/ Console market leader in Jp = Wii. Losing interest in a product = shrinking market, not because they think it's the same thing



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M.U.G.E.N on 10 March 2011
CGI-Quality said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

I'm answering to your response to me

You are missing the point here completely. It doesn't MATTER if a market is shrinking and if the other is expanding relative to it. you can't just combine markets as 'you' see fit. Home consoles and handhelds cater to 'different' audiences. Guess who buys home consoles? People who wants them!

I repeat DIFFERENT markets. If Japanese are losing interest, that's all good. It just means 'handheld' market is expanding in Japan, nothing more nothing less. You are just running around this for some reason.

So fact of the matter is, handheld market leader in Jp = DS/ Console market leader in Jp = Wii. Losing interest in a product = shrinking market, not because they think it's the same thing

I can't believe my one comment lead to such thread derailment.

Really, my point was made long ago. Anyone watching carefully knew what I meant, so I wouldn't battle it any further. Some things are better left alone.

:P it's surprising me how anyone can dispute something simple as market leader...it's a pretty clear cut situation this gen



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Bruno Muñoz on 10 March 2011

By the way, where is Rune Factory: Oceans?

Last week.

11. / 00. [PS3] Rune Factory: Oceans (Marvelous Entertainment) {2011.02.24} - 28,939 /

This week.

xx. / 11. Less than 6,537 units.

Poor Marvelous, the same for other titles as The Idolmaster 2 and SD Gundam G Generation: World (Wii) massive bomba.

 

As jarrod wisely said there is no distinction in Japan between console market and portable market, it is pretty obvious.