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mibuokami said:

I don't get it, I just don't get it.... How is this game so different than so many other generic military shooters? Why is it gaining so much press? Because of the story? Seriously? Just concept of Korea invading the US in the near future in any realistic fashion blows my mind. I cannot swallow this concept and thus cannot take this game seriously in any way.

Is it just me or do other people feel the same?


i agree with you.  it might be a good game and all but i don't understand why it is getting so much more press than the other 100 or so shooters coming out this year...



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It's just a game people...

 

Looks nice!



kitler53 said:


i agree with you.  it might be a good game and all but i don't understand why it is getting so much more press than the other 100 or so shooters coming out this year...


Coz this one imo represents a real world fear. A lot of people are scared of Nth Korea. A lot of people are scared of Japans technology. And there are a hell of a lot of people in the Chinese army. 

If you hit home you will get results.



 

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AussieGecko said:
mibuokami said:

EVERYTHING will get nuked before America was seriously 'defeated' via a land invasion, you scenario is unfeasible so long as WMD exist and are in the hand of the US.

What the latest wars have shown is that foreign occupation is damn expensive.


Really Occupation? Okay. 

If WMD's come into play in Americas own homeland America loses. If they bomb China and Chinese military is already attacking America, America loses.

China is the main guys that can beat the US. US knows it that is why there is an almost Iron tight Alliance even though China is a communist nation. If China and the US goes to war neither China nor US will win

If Nth and Sth Korea combine and then they take Japan who knows. Or even an alliance, then they allied with China, the world would be run by these 4 nations, that is almost factual, hence why Homefront can work.

This is of course my opinion. Can the scenario work? hell yes, Do a lot of factors need to go right? Hell yes Is it likely? Probably not.

Sorry the use of 'foreign occupation' is incorrect, the phrase is too tied to colonialism and has too much negative connotation, I apologise if anyone is offended.

With respect to your response on WMD in America soil... Why nuke American soil?

It's call a no win scenario because once WMD is used then nobody wins. Before it comes to the point that's been shown in homefront, you can bet your ass that a sub full of nuke will rain hell in the invader's homeland. It won't take a lot of multi-megaton nuke to reduce North Korea into no-man land. When a country loses its production and manufactoring capability it cannot sustain a war, the frontline is only half the reason wars are won and lost and it's often not the most important half.

Again any scenario involving a successful invasion of US in unfeasible.




mibuokami said:
AussieGecko said:
mibuokami said:

EVERYTHING will get nuked before America was seriously 'defeated' via a land invasion, you scenario is unfeasible so long as WMD exist and are in the hand of the US.

What the latest wars have shown is that foreign occupation is damn expensive.


Really Occupation? Okay. 

If WMD's come into play in Americas own homeland America loses. If they bomb China and Chinese military is already attacking America, America loses.

China is the main guys that can beat the US. US knows it that is why there is an almost Iron tight Alliance even though China is a communist nation. If China and the US goes to war neither China nor US will win

If Nth and Sth Korea combine and then they take Japan who knows. Or even an alliance, then they allied with China, the world would be run by these 4 nations, that is almost factual, hence why Homefront can work.

This is of course my opinion. Can the scenario work? hell yes, Do a lot of factors need to go right? Hell yes Is it likely? Probably not.

Sorry the use of 'foreign occupation' is incorrect, the phrase is too tied to colonialism and has too much negative connotation, I apologise if anyone is offended.

With respect to your response on WMD in America soil... Why nuke American soil?

It's call a no win scenario because once WMD is used then nobody wins. Before it comes to the point that's been shown in homefront, you can bet your ass that a sub full of nuke will rain hell in the invader's homeland. It won't take a lot of multi-megaton nuke to reduce North Korea into no-man land. When a country loses its production and manufactoring capability it cannot sustain a war, the frontline is only half the reason wars are won and lost and it's often not the most important half.

Again any scenario involving a successful invasion of US in unfeasible.

Before everyone makes their conclusion without actually playing the game or understanding how they deal with such issues, I suggest that they wait and see how the plot comes out.  The problem with Americans is that we believe we are untouchable, which lead to 911.  Do not forget that our country is very vunerable to a ground war especially with how easy it is to knock out most of America power infrastructure.  There are a few books out there that talks about this and the fact we have nukes doesn't mean we are safe.  I can see a bunch of scenerios where the US could find itself in such a situation described in Homefront.  If the US economy falls, we would be selling nukes left and right like Russia to keep our economy stable.  The plot is not far reaching if you think what would happen if the US economy tanked.



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mibuokami said:

Sorry the use of 'foreign occupation' is incorrect, the phrase is too tied to colonialism and has too much negative connotation, I apologise if anyone is offended.

With respect to your response on WMD in America soil... Why nuke American soil?

It's call a no win scenario because once WMD is used then nobody wins. Before it comes to the point that's been shown in homefront, you can bet your ass that a sub full of nuke will rain hell in the invader's homeland. It won't take a lot of multi-megaton nuke to reduce North Korea into no-man land. When a country loses its production and manufactoring capability it cannot sustain a war, the frontline is only half the reason wars are won and lost and it's often not the most important half.

Again any scenario involving a successful invasion of US in unfeasible.


Hmm not the scenario. If you add my msn defolt@hotmail.com would be more than happy to discuss :) I dont want to offend anybody myself and the next things I say might.



 

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AussieGecko said:
mibuokami said:

Sorry the use of 'foreign occupation' is incorrect, the phrase is too tied to colonialism and has too much negative connotation, I apologise if anyone is offended.

With respect to your response on WMD in America soil... Why nuke American soil?

It's call a no win scenario because once WMD is used then nobody wins. Before it comes to the point that's been shown in homefront, you can bet your ass that a sub full of nuke will rain hell in the invader's homeland. It won't take a lot of multi-megaton nuke to reduce North Korea into no-man land. When a country loses its production and manufactoring capability it cannot sustain a war, the frontline is only half the reason wars are won and lost and it's often not the most important half.

Again any scenario involving a successful invasion of US in unfeasible.


Hmm not the scenario. If you add my msn defolt@hotmail.com would be more than happy to discuss :) I dont want to offend anybody myself and the next things I say might.

I agree, this is no longer on topic and we're derailing the thread. In any case, there is too many if if if atm with talks of China and Nukes.

lets step back and take some tea, I don't think I can keep up with so much seriousness anyways. (bad for the blood it is!) While I'm not up for the debate, I'd be honor to shake hands!

Back on topic, I hope the game does well, despite my uncertainty, Kaos were the creator of Desert Combat and that mod kicked ass!




I say give the game a try and see if you will like it.  Yeah the story seems a little far fetched but it is a game and much like a book anything is possible in a fictional scenario and that's the fun of it.



mibuokami said:

I agree, this is no longer on topic and we're derailing the thread. In any case, there is too many if if if atm with talks of China and Nukes.

lets step back and take some tea, I don't think I can keep up with so much seriousness anyways. (bad for the blood it is!) While I'm not up for the debate, I'd be honor to shake hands!

Back on topic, I hope the game does well, despite my uncertainty, Kaos were the creator of Desert Combat and that mod kicked ass!


yeah im up for that haha

A good debate is sometimes needed, political or otherwise haha



 

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AussieGecko said:
Hephaestos said:

Thing is there is no realistic scenario where the US would be invaded by anything....

The US military is currently a good 10 years ahead of any other military in tech, with the closest being russia and France. All other countries in the world rely on outside arms purchase and are de facto dependent on the furnishing country for their wearponry. Even China is lagging way behind, didn't they just test their FIRST stealth plane a few months ago?

The other true factor besides tech is the quantity of gear (tanks/planes/boats.... even if lower tech) and in this aspect too, the US have a big step forward any country (well maybe not russia there, dunno). I mean even if you have 1000 chinese littleman with rifles... they ain't gonna do much against a bomber out of bullet reach...

Lastly, experience... well the US is in every fight...

On the numbers though, if you recall japan, they were many many less than the chinese pre WWII, yet they did manage to cover most of asia... granted, japan is larger than north corea, but  the only factor that enabled them to do this was still the military tech that was way ahead than any other countries arround them.

You cant be serious... 

If anything these latest wars shows US is a susceptible as anyone. If a probably organised military attacked america they have every chance of winning. If China attacks via south america for example the US wouldnt have a chance as they would then be fighting a land war.

And that is only the start, if the "axis of evil" declared war on America it wouldnt be as one sided as you hope imo

i'll just say this.

You're mistaking waging a foreign guerilla war and a homeland war. If anything recent wars have shown that the home contry will never lay down arms and even if it's just a portion of the population they can disturb the peace (I believe that is the premise of the game no? you fight on a dominating ennemy, much like the view rebel afgans or irakis have of the US I would guess).

Now your example of china is false as china only has more men, they do not have more vehicules, planes or copters.... and they'd have a heck of a supply line problem from the sea... (not counting the local resistance from the south americans they'd go through ^^)

The "axis of evil" doesn't have sufficient missile tech to even deliver nukes...they are a threat because their nuke tech is likely to be sold to terrorists (or sponsored to) and be derived to dirty bombs and because of the damage they can do to neighboring countries. there's only 3 contries with capacity to hit the US with nukes (besides alaska) and that's Russia, China (they have space capacity... not sure about intercontinental missiles though) and France. Other countries would need to have either long range missile capacity (they don't), or sub capacity (NK has, but low range missiles) or stealth bombers (they don't).

one nice chart that might put things in perspective for you... military budget...

http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp

digg on similar sites you'll see lots of info (based on available sources as CIA and library of congress), but that graph is particularly telling because 50 paper planes cost much less than 1 real fighter jet..... and if you think that's a joke.... Saddam Hussein had inflatable tanks to bolster his stats ^^ (sold by an italian company...)



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