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jonager on 24 February 2011
richardhutnik said:
NotStan said:
richardhutnik said:
NotStan said:

Chess carries the image of a "geek" with it. I personally love it, but haven't really played it in years except for a game every now and then. Tbfh, it's a really simple game but with complex mechanics, the only time that you can trully be challenged is when you meet an opponent that is advanced in the art of chessfare. I only met a few. I am talking about people that would literally see behind your every move and cockblock you at the last possible instance or early in advance. Nowadays people would much rather preffer battle their way out on COD instead of a chess board, I like both but chess just seems outdated, to me personally now x), maybe i'll indulge when I am older.

I wish people would stop seeing certain game forms as "outdated".  Besides the non-profit IAGO (in the boardgame area), I am also doing work on the CADERS project (see below) which tries to defend older game forms that have seem to have fallen out of favor.   This goes for retro arcade games, pinball, and other things like boardgames to.  I do hope the older forms get look to again, because I do have concerns that the industry is going to music game its current cashcows, like FPS. 

Older games won't regain anywhere as much momentum as the current games, although I like chess personally I can go as far as to say that the golden age of chess has passed by now. If  you were to ask the ~1000 people that attend my school and are younger than me(There are about 25 people in the whole school who are older than me), I'd be very surprised if you'd get even 20 saying that they have the faintest idea how to play chess. The only reason I think I know how to play chess is because my family is of a Russian descent, so my grandad taught me all Chess, Checkers etc, the games that have been played even since his times. In the west however, I rarely see that many people who show interest in chess, if they do show interest in some sort of game it's in a console/PC. As some sort of test a Chess game on XBL and PSN should be released to see how many people would actually show interest.

Here is a question: Does every game format eventually go retro?

I am wondering, for example, 100 years from now, will people still be playing Call of Duty?  How about chess or Go or Backgammon?  Which one is going to stick around longer?

well chess go and backgammon have been around for centuries even more for backgammon . i don´t think they are retro . most of boardgames don´t go retro. COD might go retro just like doom is retro now



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silicon on 24 February 2011
richardhutnik said:
silicon said:
richardhutnik said:
silicon said:

Settlers of Catan came out.

You know, I could do the exact same thing regarding Catan.  How many people here play it?  Catan is a brilliant game, but why not have it sell millions of copies?  I believe it, lifetime, may of sold less than ModNation across all platforms.  Among boardgames, it is a success, but in the big picture?  They actually sell more chess sets than Catan games annually.  That doesn't mean people play chess though.


I thought Catan sold at least 30 million... seriously.

Interesting.  I don't believe it did that may worldwide.  I may be wrong on it not doing as well as ModNation though.  But here is one article, that said it didn't even break 1 million in the United States as of 2008:

http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/magazine/17-04/mf_settlers

HOWEVER, the same article did say 15 million worldwide. This popped up in Wikipedia.

Yeah! That was the article I read on it. I kinda overstated how muc they sold =P



richardhutnik on 24 February 2011
jonager said:
richardhutnik said:
NotStan said:
richardhutnik said:
NotStan said:

Chess carries the image of a "geek" with it. I personally love it, but haven't really played it in years except for a game every now and then. Tbfh, it's a really simple game but with complex mechanics, the only time that you can trully be challenged is when you meet an opponent that is advanced in the art of chessfare. I only met a few. I am talking about people that would literally see behind your every move and cockblock you at the last possible instance or early in advance. Nowadays people would much rather preffer battle their way out on COD instead of a chess board, I like both but chess just seems outdated, to me personally now x), maybe i'll indulge when I am older.

I wish people would stop seeing certain game forms as "outdated".  Besides the non-profit IAGO (in the boardgame area), I am also doing work on the CADERS project (see below) which tries to defend older game forms that have seem to have fallen out of favor.   This goes for retro arcade games, pinball, and other things like boardgames to.  I do hope the older forms get look to again, because I do have concerns that the industry is going to music game its current cashcows, like FPS. 

Older games won't regain anywhere as much momentum as the current games, although I like chess personally I can go as far as to say that the golden age of chess has passed by now. If  you were to ask the ~1000 people that attend my school and are younger than me(There are about 25 people in the whole school who are older than me), I'd be very surprised if you'd get even 20 saying that they have the faintest idea how to play chess. The only reason I think I know how to play chess is because my family is of a Russian descent, so my grandad taught me all Chess, Checkers etc, the games that have been played even since his times. In the west however, I rarely see that many people who show interest in chess, if they do show interest in some sort of game it's in a console/PC. As some sort of test a Chess game on XBL and PSN should be released to see how many people would actually show interest.

Here is a question: Does every game format eventually go retro?

I am wondering, for example, 100 years from now, will people still be playing Call of Duty?  How about chess or Go or Backgammon?  Which one is going to stick around longer?

well chess go and backgammon have been around for centuries even more for backgammon . i don´t think they are retro . most of boardgames don´t go retro. COD might go retro just like doom is retro now

In a broad sense, why wouldn't boardgames be considered "retro"?  The definition for retro as far as gaming goes is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_style

Retro is a culturally outdated or aged style, trend, mode, or fashion, from the overall postmodern past, that has since that time become functionally or superficially the norm once again. The use of "retro" style iconography and imagery interjected into post-modern art, advertising, mass media, etc. It generally implies a vintage of at least 15 or 20 years.

 

To me, this sounds like it can fit boardgames.



richardhutnik on 24 February 2011
silicon said:
richardhutnik said:

Interesting.  I don't believe it did that may worldwide.  I may be wrong on it not doing as well as ModNation though.  But here is one article, that said it didn't even break 1 million in the United States as of 2008:

http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/magazine/17-04/mf_settlers

HOWEVER, the same article did say 15 million worldwide. This popped up in Wikipedia.

Yeah! That was the article I read on it. I kinda overstated how muc they sold =P

An interesting thing about boardgames is that, for the most part, they only do print runs of a few thousand for most, and that is that.  As far as designers go, the top designers MAKE A LIVING do it.  In videogames, they get to be wealthy.  The scale is different.



Conegamer on 24 February 2011

Dunno. I was big with chess up until a few months ago, then I fell out of love with it...

Too few people play with it sadly, BRING BACK CHESS I SAY!



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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Reasonable on 24 February 2011

I only play Chess in real life, when I can glare at my opponent.  Same with Backgammom and similar games.  Never found playing against AI that attractive.

Triva on chess - in Russia chess books are in the sports section, elsewhere the games section.  Of course, I may have been lied to on that as I'm taking the word of a Russian friend on it.  I've never bothered checking.



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AdventWolf on 24 February 2011

I used to play chess here and there in high school. I don't get as big of a kick playing it as I would something more interactive like Civilization.



Brutalyst on 24 February 2011
sabby_e17 said:

Chess is awesome. Unfortunately I hardly find anyone to play it with nowadays. 


Same as above.

 

Im by no means a good chess player, I just enjoy and the strategy involved in it. But the only one person I knew who would play it with me wont anymore as I beat him all the time :( (and like I said, not blowing my own trumpet im not very good at chess, I just like it).

 

Reminds me actually, there was some chess game meant to be coming out on PS3 (Battle Chess I think it was). I was interested but forgot about it .



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richardhutnik on 24 February 2011
Reasonable said:

I only play Chess in real life, when I can glare at my opponent.  Same with Backgammom and similar games.  Never found playing against AI that attractive.

Triva on chess - in Russia chess books are in the sports section, elsewhere the games section.  Of course, I may have been lied to on that as I'm taking the word of a Russian friend on it.  I've never bothered checking.

There are plenty of places to play chess, backgammon to play over the Internet against other people.  Also, Backgammon picked up some of the steam poker had due to you being able to play it legally for money over the Internet, because it is classified as a game of skill.

Is it that you prefer the human face to face interaction, and not just playing against a human for their skill?



amp316 on 24 February 2011

What is chess?

I'm going to go play Archon.



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