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sapphi_snake on 26 February 2011
Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

Just stop. And what are my views?

Just because you live in a old-fashioned religious society dominated by conservative Catholic Christians it doesn't mean that represents the global situation of Christianity.

You are just bitter because Christians oppress you in Romania so you automatically put all religions in the same box. It's just immature.

You have to free yourself from that. Start by moving to Sweden and it'll open your eyes quickly.

I as a Christian have no problem with acknowledging that Buddhism is more peaceful than Christiany. I also have no problem with acknowledging that Christianity is often corrupted in the hands of sinful humans. Fact is fact. Religions and philosofies are fundamentally different from each other, live with it.

First of all, most people here are Eastern Orthodox, not Catholic.

Second of all, Romania's a good example of what happens when a country is too conservative and too Christian. The countries where "things are better", are countries where people do not take their religiosn seriously, or are some sort of Liberal Protestant Christians. So I think that I'm very justified in disliking Christianity (and religion in general for that matter),

And the bottom line is that there's no difference between Christianity and Islam?

No, in the end they're both made-up nonsesnse that can be used to justify anything.



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Slimebeast on 26 February 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

Just stop. And what are my views?

Just because you live in a old-fashioned religious society dominated by conservative Catholic Christians it doesn't mean that represents the global situation of Christianity.

You are just bitter because Christians oppress you in Romania so you automatically put all religions in the same box. It's just immature.

You have to free yourself from that. Start by moving to Sweden and it'll open your eyes quickly.

I as a Christian have no problem with acknowledging that Buddhism is more peaceful than Christiany. I also have no problem with acknowledging that Christianity is often corrupted in the hands of sinful humans. Fact is fact. Religions and philosofies are fundamentally different from each other, live with it.

First of all, most people here are Eastern Orthodox, not Catholic.

Second of all, Romania's a good example of what happens when a country is too conservative and too Christian. The countries where "things are better", are countries where people do not take their religiosn seriously, or are some sort of Liberal Protestant Christians. So I think that I'm very justified in disliking Christianity (and religion in general for that matter),

And the bottom line is that there's no difference between Christianity and Islam?

No, in the end they're both made-up nonsesnse that can be used to justify anything.

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.



sapphi_snake on 26 February 2011
Slimebeast said:

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.

While they may have different "philosophies" (not that they're meaningful or interesting in any way), in the end most religious beleivers aren't intelligent enough to critically analize the teachingds of their religions, and resort to a superficial analysis and blindly following people percieved to be religious leaders.

At the end of the day the best route is ignoring religious and promoting secularism. It works very well for Western countries.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Booh! on 26 February 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.

While they may have different "philosophies" (not that they're meaningful or interesting in any way), in the end most religious beleivers aren't intelligent enough to critically analize the teachingds of their religions, and resort to a superficial analysis and blindly following people percieved to be religious leaders.

At the end of the day the best route is ignoring religious and promoting secularism. It works very well for Western countries.

I'm not sure about this. For sure religion worked very well for western countries (probably the most bigoted nation ever existed in the history of Christianity was Victorian England in the 19th century), but since secularism became prominent only for the last 50 years, we've yet to see its effects to a full extent. Eastern Europe was secularized well before Western Europe and it didn't gain much from it.



Zlejedi on 26 February 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.

While they may have different "philosophies" (not that they're meaningful or interesting in any way), in the end most religious beleivers aren't intelligent enough to critically analize the teachingds of their religions, and resort to a superficial analysis and blindly following people percieved to be religious leaders.

At the end of the day the best route is ignoring religious and promoting secularism. It works very well for Western countries.

If France or Germany is supposed to be example to this I think I'll start going to church every week to thank God I don't have to live there.



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sapphi_snake on 26 February 2011
Booh! said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.

While they may have different "philosophies" (not that they're meaningful or interesting in any way), in the end most religious beleivers aren't intelligent enough to critically analize the teachingds of their religions, and resort to a superficial analysis and blindly following people percieved to be religious leaders.

At the end of the day the best route is ignoring religious and promoting secularism. It works very well for Western countries.

I'm not sure about this. For sure religion worked very well for western countries (probably the most bigoted nation ever existed in the history of Christianity was Victorian England in the 19th century), but since secularism became prominent only for the last 50 years, we've yet to see its effects to a full extent. Eastern Europe was secularized well before Western Europe and it didn't gain much from it.

It's different in Easter Europe. First of all it wasn't secularism, but rather state atheism; second of all most of the people remained very religious (Eastern Europe is Europe's "Bible Belt" today).

Eastern Europe was also didn't experience the Reneissance and the Enlgihtment the same way Western Europe did (in other words it's actually behind the times compared to Western Europe. Do you think that Western Europe was better when it was filled with fundementalists?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake on 26 February 2011
Zlejedi said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

If that's your view then just stay out of discussions such as these please. With all due respect.

I mean even if you believe all religion is man made (and that's perfectly okay to believe), you still have to take them for what they are and be able to analyze them as philosofies and acknowledge their differencies and different implications for society.

You are a decently smart guy Sapphi, I expect more from you.

While they may have different "philosophies" (not that they're meaningful or interesting in any way), in the end most religious beleivers aren't intelligent enough to critically analize the teachingds of their religions, and resort to a superficial analysis and blindly following people percieved to be religious leaders.

At the end of the day the best route is ignoring religious and promoting secularism. It works very well for Western countries.

If France or Germany is supposed to be example to this I think I'll start going to church every week to thank God I don't have to live there.

They're better off then your bigoted country will ever be. I wouldn't live in your backwards fundamentalist homophobic antisemitic country even if my life depended on it.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

ProdigyBam on 26 February 2011
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 


No, he was a veeeery religious guy, he just hated christianity (wanted to ban it after the war) and he didnt hate every religion, he had a favourable view of islam.

"Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." Thats what Adolf Hitler said, in english its something like: "If we had become muslims, we would reign/own the world"



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ProdigyBam on 26 February 2011
sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:

Sure mate, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world especially in muslim countries because ALL muslims in muslim countries (where muslims have the mist power) dont know the teachings of their book/ sarcasm off

you make me SICK, really

 

EDIT:

I will stop here, it doesnt make sense, everyone who wants to know the truth about both religions should read the bible and the quran (and the hadiths) and compare them, everyone else, wait 20-40 years and you will hate yourself because you havent informed yourselves in the first place.

im off, cya everyone

LOL. I'm pretty sure Atheists are way more persecuted than Christians.


Since when are Atheists/Agnostics a religious group, and yeah, the only countries there are persecuted are muslim dominated countries, and if you say USA now, you have no idea of persecuation and how much violence and suffering christians are going trough in communist and atheistic countries like northkorea.



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ProdigyBam on 26 February 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:
sapphi_snake said:
Slimebeast said:

Just stop. And what are my views?

Just because you live in a old-fashioned religious society dominated by conservative Catholic Christians it doesn't mean that represents the global situation of Christianity.

You are just bitter because Christians oppress you in Romania so you automatically put all religions in the same box. It's just immature.

You have to free yourself from that. Start by moving to Sweden and it'll open your eyes quickly.

I as a Christian have no problem with acknowledging that Buddhism is more peaceful than Christiany. I also have no problem with acknowledging that Christianity is often corrupted in the hands of sinful humans. Fact is fact. Religions and philosofies are fundamentally different from each other, live with it.

First of all, most people here are Eastern Orthodox, not Catholic.

Second of all, Romania's a good example of what happens when a country is too conservative and too Christian. The countries where "things are better", are countries where people do not take their religiosn seriously, or are some sort of Liberal Protestant Christians. So I think that I'm very justified in disliking Christianity (and religion in general for that matter),

And the bottom line is that there's no difference between Christianity and Islam?

No, in the end they're both made-up nonsesnse that can be used to justify anything.

Ahh come on, thats BS, im an orthodox christian myself and my parents are from an orthodox country were since the ending of the communist regime, people take their religion very serious. (Russia)

and funny thing is, the economy is getting better and better there, the strongest economy is in the united states, a very conservative nation where most people are christians and china, the country where the economy is growing faster and more than anywhere in the world, the christian community is growing very quickly as well



Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVrNOQtlzY