@kasz did you read my original post? i already acknowledged that the game plays differently and already stated I have the DAMN game, which is even more reason why i thought the game would do better, there are very little games like this on the Wii. But maybe people like to shoot zombies and maybe im the damn weirdo for wanting to do something else
| oniyide said: @kasz did you read my original post? i already acknowledged that the game plays differently and already stated I have the DAMN game, which is even more reason why i thought the game would do better, there are very little games like this on the Wii. But maybe people like to shoot zombies and maybe im the damn weirdo for wanting to do something else |
I read it... it seems pretty unbelievable though...
You can't grasp why a game didn't sell well that is literally so unpopular genre the only other game in it's genre was it's predacessor on the N64 a system itself that was unpopular?
@kasz what i cant grasp is why a quality game (IMHO) didnt do so hot, I dont how "niche" the genre is. But you know what your right, i should just support the various FPSs and dancing games because they are so popular
| oniyide said: @kasz what i cant grasp is why a quality game (IMHO) didnt do so hot, I dont how "niche" the genre is. But you know what your right, i should just support the various FPSs and dancing games because they are so popular |
Just because a genre isn't popular doesn't mean you shouldn't support it. It just means you should be sensible with your expectations.
Hell, my favorite games list is littered with Niche only games.
Tactics Ogre. (Remake is even better.) (Turnbased SRPGs)
MLB Power Pros. (Chibi Baseball RPG)
Ogre batle series. (An even nicher version of SRPGs then the average.)
Gemfire (Turnbased war simulator games like ROTK.)
Fallout (Turnbased Isometric RPG.)
Just because you like something, doesn't mean someone else will no matter how well done it is. I could make the perfect wreslting simulation game... where you don't play matches, but only set them up and watch them....
and it ain't going to sell a mil no matter HOW perfect it is.
| oniyide said: @jarrod are people buying habits depending on what the dev team is, I dont care what #s a dev team does if they have a good track record of quality they'll get my business, but thats just me though @Disolitude are you talking rail shooters or FPSs, cause FPSs sell and the rail shooters on WIi generally sell much better than this game did. "This game would struggle to sell on any console." Please dont try to turn this into a "Wii cant sell core games thing" All I want to know is why people who own a WII (hardcore, casuals, mulitplaters, whatever) did not give this game a chance, even less so than the games I mentioned |
I think developers and brand definitely play into it, especially with a more "core" release like S&P2. I think Wii apathy/piracy definitely hurt S&P2 this year though (and hurt MOM too)... if this game would've released in 2007/2008 I think it'd have sold significantly more.
Also, for the genre debate, S&P is really a "classic" rail-shooter, which was popularized by Space Harrier back in the mid 1980s. Other notable franchises in this genre include After Burner, Galaxy Force, Star Fox, Panzer Dragoon, Omega Force, Panorama Cotton and REZ. The main difference between this and something like HOTD or RE Chronicles is that you have active avatar control and they're (usually) in 3rd person. These games are really more like classic scrolling shmups, but with full XY axis movement.
Stuff like HOTD or Time Crisis, while somewhat similar, used to be defined as gun games, but with Wii's revival of the genre they've gotten lumped in with traditional rail shooters. Gun games in the 1980s and early 1990s used to be fairly static (more like shooting galleries), until games like Starblade, Virtua Cop or Revolution X helped make the shift to a more dynamic "forward scrolling" 3D/FMV progression. It's also when they went from more score based to level based.
| oniyide said: @Myak 4 damn that is upsetting!!! @lordtheknight I still stand by that, Cvs.S2 did 300,000 in Japan on PS2 alone??? Do you honestly think that that game did not sell at least as well in the other territories??? Even if it did half that in US and another half in Others the game would still have sold better than TvsC, you know what i cant wait for the Mvs.C3 #s to come in cause when it crushers Tvs.C i would like to see what excuses people come up with then. Cause that whole "niche" thing will fall apart OT the game is dirt cheap right now brand new like $25 bucks, so what are you waiting for??? |
At least as well would be 900K, not exactly making 500K look abysmal.
That's the problem. I'm not denying those other games sold well. You are denying TvC sold well, even when Capcom said otherwise.
As for this game, it's a niche game. Too many people seem to think that any "core" game should sell as well as any other, and the Wii is just preventing them from it.
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs
LordTheNightKnight said:
That's the problem. I'm not denying those other games sold well. You are denying TvC sold well, even when Capcom said otherwise. As for this game, it's a niche game. Too many people seem to think that any "core" game should sell as well as any other, and the Wii is just preventing them from it. |
Besides which, Marvel VS Capcom 3 is going to crush Tsukuno vs Capcom?
Er... no Kidding.
One of them is an Anime studio nobodies heard of outside Japan outside of a couple of the characters.
The other is the biggest name in comics, known world wide.
Kasz216 said:
Er... no Kidding. One of them is an Anime studio nobodies heard of outside Japan outside of a couple of the characters. The other is the biggest name in comics, known world wide. |
1. Some DC fans are going to flame you for that.
2. So selling even better in the US, where they are less known, really speaks for something.
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs
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@Kasz i feel you on what your saying but i wasnt expecting a mil, I just wasnt expecting it too do this badly. I expected it to do at least as well as those RE light gun games, i mean those things are just thrown together. As for Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 pick one version and FYI me and a few people knew what Tatsunoko was. IF you had Cartoon Network in the 90s and knew what a G-Force was, then theres no excuse
@lordtheknight ok so maybe i was out of hand saying 500k aint all that but with the WIi's install base and some people crying that Iphone got SF4 and not Wii. Id figure that they would give this game a go. its just as good as the others in the VS series. and the fact that it sold like that in the US shows that the not knowing what a Tatsunoko is dont mean crap. Again your trying to turn this into a "Wii cant sell core games thing" if I wanted to say that id say it, no subliminals. I just hate to see my fav genre not getting the support i think it deserves. But Capcom is happy so thats all that matters, hopefully we'll see a sequel (i doubt it).
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