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Ail on 22 February 2011
Xbbjf9s said:
bobbert said:
fordy said:
Xbbjf9s said:
fordy said:
Xbbjf9s said:

question, can sony just make a new console with better security? like ms did.

I don't know there. If they did, it would not be backwards compatible, since the old system relies on the master keys for publishing.

This is why I think more needs to be done on the server side, where they still have the capability to control this.

????the new models aren't backwards compatible.

It depends on the situation. I don't think the 360 has it's master keys stolen, people just moved around the security there. Once a master key is made public, the only way to fix it is with a new iteration of hardware (ie. a new gen)

The new models aren't backward compatible because the xbox emulator required 8GB of hard drive space. Users wanted their 8GB of HDD space back. The version of the xbox means nothing, there are tools available to put the xbox emulator back on your hard drive.

ETA: adding it onto your new HDD won't get you banned from XBOX Live, either

Sony removed backward compatibility and OtherOS because it cost them money to keep up development for new models. I don't think for a second that it was because of hackers. There were already rumors of them killing off OtherOS, and that's why they had to make a press release about how they weren't disabling it to keep users happy. Once they found a scapegoat to take the blame for getting rid of OtherOS, that's who they blamed.

Recently, there have been/will be rootkits available for Android, iPhone, WebOS, Windows Phone, XBox 360, PS3, and the Wii. Apple tried to sue, they failed. Sony is trying to sue, they will most likely fail as well. Everyone else is sitting and watching how it plays out but is smart enough not to waste money.

Because if they win bet you money MS and Ninty may follow up. The difference between apple and sony is that hardware involved...a phone and a game system


The big difference between Apple and Sony is that Apple was forcing you to take a contract with a specific third party ( AT&T), Sony is forcing no such thing on PS3 users....

Anyway I wish good luck to those of you trying to run those hacked PS3. Have fun playing with viruses, CFW and other things, and don't go bitch at Sony if your PS3 blow up after installing one of those homebrew titles...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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irstupid on 22 February 2011
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:

I dont use pirated or hacked sofware so i dont have anything to worry about. 

Answer the question.

Would you give Sony complete control of your PS3, effectively terminating you as the owner, in order to finish piracy?

Seeing as how it would be no different whatsover than how it is now, yeah i would, there wouldnt be any cheaters or pirates and i would still be able to install and play uncharted or final fantasy games or anything else that wasntr pirated or hacked. I play by the rules so i have nothing to worry about.

You dont sacre me with your exagerations and conspiracy theories.

Nothing would change from where the PS3 was before these hacker jerks showed up.

Except that Sony owns your PS3, which they could do the following to:

1. Brick it for no reason whatsoever.

2. Take it away from you if they believe you're not using it the way they want.

3. Force you to buy Sony propietary hardware to work with it.

 

Corporate control over the hardware that you buy is a BAD thing. Public order can still be maintained from their PSN servers, while still keeping the freedom to own the hardware that you buy, and do what you like to it.

If Sony wins, you know what will happen, hacking PS3 wont be legally alowed, thats it. Nowhere in this court case has sony ever gone after any of the rights you mention, this fight is againt hackers and hackers alone.

ike i said, your doomsday exagerations and corporate conspiracy theory's dont scare me.

so sony is going after him for doing what?  hacking his ps3 and doing what?

what has he done Illegal?

hes an enabler for piracy and hacking PSN, he leaked the security keys and opened pandoras box (figuratively). If tahts not illegal then it should be, and hopefully it will be after this.

enabler for piracy?  lol you have to be kidding me.

gun makers are enabler for murder

condom makers are enablers for rape

latex glove makers are enablers for hiding finger prints in crimes

ski mask makers are enablers to robbers

need i go on by grabbing items and using the worse case scenerio out of it that SOMONE else uses it for.  a person can not be held liable for another

You can murder without guns

You can rape without condoms (lol, seriously?)

You can hide fingerprints without those as well

You can rob without ski masks.

But you know what?, in other to play pirated games on the PS3, and to cheat on the PS3, you know what you NEED for that?, you need someone to hack it thats what!!!!, no hackers, its not a problem.

conclusion?, get rid of hjackers and Sony's security problems dont exists.

and FYI, if i could bannish guns from the face of the earth i totally would.

wow no comment to your responce there

quick question.  What do you think about atmoic energy.  should we think of the people in the manhatton project the same as we do hitler, because of the atomic bombs?  what about nuclear power plants?

Your kidding right?, the sole purpose of the manhatan project was to produce a nuclear bomb, and it worked, and it was the first thing that camne from them... obviously those guys were a bunch of dicks.

yes i know, but you can see that atomic energy is used for two things i listed.  One for atomic bombs, very bad, and the other atomic energy in nuclear plants, very good.

This geohot did this for a 'good' reason so that people can do homebrew and other LEGAL thigns on their console.

YOU guys only bring up the bad things people CAN do with it.  Its the opposite of the manhatton project, he did not do it for the bad reason. 

Until you can prove that this geohot did this for the sole reason of pirating games, he can not be held responsible for that.



fordy on 22 February 2011
Ail said:


The big difference between Apple and Sony is that Apple was forcing you to take a contract with a specific third party ( AT&T), Sony is forcing no such thing on PS3 users....

Anyway I wish good luck to those of you trying to run those hacked PS3. Have fun playing with viruses, CFW and other things, and don't go bitch at Sony if your PS3 blow up after installing one of those homebrew titles...


Sony havent done that....YET. However, their tainted record shows that they have made attempts to control how you're able to listen to your music. If given the chance, there would be no doubt that they would enforce more control over the games and systems, too.

And yeah, FUD spreading doesn't help justify your argument at all.



Ail on 22 February 2011
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:

I dont use pirated or hacked sofware so i dont have anything to worry about. 

Answer the question.

Would you give Sony complete control of your PS3, effectively terminating you as the owner, in order to finish piracy?

Seeing as how it would be no different whatsover than how it is now, yeah i would, there wouldnt be any cheaters or pirates and i would still be able to install and play uncharted or final fantasy games or anything else that wasntr pirated or hacked. I play by the rules so i have nothing to worry about.

You dont sacre me with your exagerations and conspiracy theories.

Nothing would change from where the PS3 was before these hacker jerks showed up.

Except that Sony owns your PS3, which they could do the following to:

1. Brick it for no reason whatsoever.

2. Take it away from you if they believe you're not using it the way they want.

3. Force you to buy Sony propietary hardware to work with it.

 

Corporate control over the hardware that you buy is a BAD thing. Public order can still be maintained from their PSN servers, while still keeping the freedom to own the hardware that you buy, and do what you like to it.

If Sony wins, you know what will happen, hacking PS3 wont be legally alowed, thats it. Nowhere in this court case has sony ever gone after any of the rights you mention, this fight is againt hackers and hackers alone.

ike i said, your doomsday exagerations and corporate conspiracy theory's dont scare me.

so sony is going after him for doing what?  hacking his ps3 and doing what?

what has he done Illegal?

hes an enabler for piracy and hacking PSN, he leaked the security keys and opened pandoras box (figuratively). If tahts not illegal then it should be, and hopefully it will be after this.

enabler for piracy?  lol you have to be kidding me.

gun makers are enabler for murder

condom makers are enablers for rape

latex glove makers are enablers for hiding finger prints in crimes

ski mask makers are enablers to robbers

need i go on by grabbing items and using the worse case scenerio out of it that SOMONE else uses it for.  a person can not be held liable for another

You can murder without guns

You can rape without condoms (lol, seriously?)

You can hide fingerprints without those as well

You can rob without ski masks.

But you know what?, in other to play pirated games on the PS3, and to cheat on the PS3, you know what you NEED for that?, you need someone to hack it thats what!!!!, no hackers, its not a problem.

conclusion?, get rid of hjackers and Sony's security problems dont exists.

and FYI, if i could bannish guns from the face of the earth i totally would.

wow no comment to your responce there

quick question.  What do you think about atmoic energy.  should we think of the people in the manhatton project the same as we do hitler, because of the atomic bombs?  what about nuclear power plants?

Your kidding right?, the sole purpose of the manhatan project was to produce a nuclear bomb, and it worked, and it was the first thing that camne from them... obviously those guys were a bunch of dicks.

yes i know, but you can see that atomic energy is used for two things i listed.  One for atomic bombs, very bad, and the other atomic energy in nuclear plants, very good.

This geohot did this for a 'good' reason so that people can do homebrew and other LEGAL thigns on their console.

YOU guys only bring up the bad things people CAN do with it.  Its the opposite of the manhatton project, he did not do it for the bad reason. 

Until you can prove that this geohot did this for the sole reason of pirating games, he can not be held responsible for that.


The dude did it for no such thing.

He did it for publicity and bragging rights, nothing else and didn't care what people would do with it.

He can claim he had all those fake good reasons why he did it but anyone with an ounce of good sense can see behind what he says.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

hehey on 22 February 2011
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:
fordy said:
hehey said:

I dont use pirated or hacked sofware so i dont have anything to worry about. 

Answer the question.

Would you give Sony complete control of your PS3, effectively terminating you as the owner, in order to finish piracy?

Seeing as how it would be no different whatsover than how it is now, yeah i would, there wouldnt be any cheaters or pirates and i would still be able to install and play uncharted or final fantasy games or anything else that wasntr pirated or hacked. I play by the rules so i have nothing to worry about.

You dont sacre me with your exagerations and conspiracy theories.

Nothing would change from where the PS3 was before these hacker jerks showed up.

Except that Sony owns your PS3, which they could do the following to:

1. Brick it for no reason whatsoever.

2. Take it away from you if they believe you're not using it the way they want.

3. Force you to buy Sony propietary hardware to work with it.

 

Corporate control over the hardware that you buy is a BAD thing. Public order can still be maintained from their PSN servers, while still keeping the freedom to own the hardware that you buy, and do what you like to it.

If Sony wins, you know what will happen, hacking PS3 wont be legally alowed, thats it. Nowhere in this court case has sony ever gone after any of the rights you mention, this fight is againt hackers and hackers alone.

ike i said, your doomsday exagerations and corporate conspiracy theory's dont scare me.

so sony is going after him for doing what?  hacking his ps3 and doing what?

what has he done Illegal?

hes an enabler for piracy and hacking PSN, he leaked the security keys and opened pandoras box (figuratively). If tahts not illegal then it should be, and hopefully it will be after this.

enabler for piracy?  lol you have to be kidding me.

gun makers are enabler for murder

condom makers are enablers for rape

latex glove makers are enablers for hiding finger prints in crimes

ski mask makers are enablers to robbers

need i go on by grabbing items and using the worse case scenerio out of it that SOMONE else uses it for.  a person can not be held liable for another

You can murder without guns

You can rape without condoms (lol, seriously?)

You can hide fingerprints without those as well

You can rob without ski masks.

But you know what?, in other to play pirated games on the PS3, and to cheat on the PS3, you know what you NEED for that?, you need someone to hack it thats what!!!!, no hackers, its not a problem.

conclusion?, get rid of hjackers and Sony's security problems dont exists.

and FYI, if i could bannish guns from the face of the earth i totally would.

wow no comment to your responce there

quick question.  What do you think about atmoic energy.  should we think of the people in the manhatton project the same as we do hitler, because of the atomic bombs?  what about nuclear power plants?

Your kidding right?, the sole purpose of the manhatan project was to produce a nuclear bomb, and it worked, and it was the first thing that camne from them... obviously those guys were a bunch of dicks.

yes i know, but you can see that atomic energy is used for two things i listed.  One for atomic bombs, very bad, and the other atomic energy in nuclear plants, very good.

This geohot did this for a 'good' reason so that people can do homebrew and other LEGAL thigns on their console.

YOU guys only bring up the bad things people CAN do with it.  Its the opposite of the manhatton project, he did not do it for the bad reason. 

Until you can prove that this geohot did this for the sole reason of pirating games, he can not be held responsible for that.

Of course we can, GEOhot knew very well that his shit would be used for piracy, he blew the PS3 security wide open!!!, IT HAPPENED WHITH HIS LAST HACK, he just didnt give a shit, and hopefully hel pay the consequences.

Its very unfortunate that Apple has to deal with the consequences of his bullcrap while he got away scott free.



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irstupid on 22 February 2011
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:

Your kidding right?, the sole purpose of the manhatan project was to produce a nuclear bomb, and it worked, and it was the first thing that camne from them... obviously those guys were a bunch of dicks.

yes i know, but you can see that atomic energy is used for two things i listed.  One for atomic bombs, very bad, and the other atomic energy in nuclear plants, very good.

This geohot did this for a 'good' reason so that people can do homebrew and other LEGAL thigns on their console.

YOU guys only bring up the bad things people CAN do with it.  Its the opposite of the manhatton project, he did not do it for the bad reason. 

Until you can prove that this geohot did this for the sole reason of pirating games, he can not be held responsible for that.

Of course we can, GEOhot knew very well that his shit would be used for piracy, he blew the PS3 security wide open!!!, IT HAPPENED WHITH HIS LAST HACK, he just didnt give a shit, and hopefully hel pay the consequences.

Its very unfortunate that Apple has to deal with the consequences of his bullcrap while he got away scott free.

what bullcrap?  you mean how they are selling a crap load more iphones because people don't have to use the shit at&t network?

Or you mean how they are selling INSANE Number of apps for the iphone and touch?

Or what type of consequences are you talking about?

And then "why do you guys think he is going to lose against sony when he already won against apple for same thing"

What has changed?  In both cases he just hacked his OWN property and told others how to do it as well.  He did not do any pirating.



adriane23 on 22 February 2011
NYANKS said:

This should've ended the thread....

OT: I still doubt he'll win.



I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

hehey on 22 February 2011
irstupid said:
hehey said:
irstupid said:
hehey said:

Your kidding right?, the sole purpose of the manhatan project was to produce a nuclear bomb, and it worked, and it was the first thing that camne from them... obviously those guys were a bunch of dicks.

yes i know, but you can see that atomic energy is used for two things i listed.  One for atomic bombs, very bad, and the other atomic energy in nuclear plants, very good.

This geohot did this for a 'good' reason so that people can do homebrew and other LEGAL thigns on their console.

YOU guys only bring up the bad things people CAN do with it.  Its the opposite of the manhatton project, he did not do it for the bad reason. 

Until you can prove that this geohot did this for the sole reason of pirating games, he can not be held responsible for that.

Of course we can, GEOhot knew very well that his shit would be used for piracy, he blew the PS3 security wide open!!!, IT HAPPENED WHITH HIS LAST HACK, he just didnt give a shit, and hopefully hel pay the consequences.

Its very unfortunate that Apple has to deal with the consequences of his bullcrap while he got away scott free.

what bullcrap?  you mean how they are selling a crap load more iphones because people don't have to use the shit at&t network?

Or you mean how they are selling INSANE Number of apps for the iphone and touch?

Or what type of consequences are you talking about?

And then "why do you guys think he is going to lose against sony when he already won against apple for same thing"

What has changed?  In both cases he just hacked his OWN property and told others how to do it as well.  He did not do any pirating.

piracy is the bullcrap. 



bobbert on 22 February 2011
Xbbjf9s said:
bobbert said:
fordy said:
Xbbjf9s said:
fordy said:
Xbbjf9s said:

question, can sony just make a new console with better security? like ms did.

I don't know there. If they did, it would not be backwards compatible, since the old system relies on the master keys for publishing.

This is why I think more needs to be done on the server side, where they still have the capability to control this.

????the new models aren't backwards compatible.

It depends on the situation. I don't think the 360 has it's master keys stolen, people just moved around the security there. Once a master key is made public, the only way to fix it is with a new iteration of hardware (ie. a new gen)

The new models aren't backward compatible because the xbox emulator required 8GB of hard drive space. Users wanted their 8GB of HDD space back. The version of the xbox means nothing, there are tools available to put the xbox emulator back on your hard drive.

ETA: adding it onto your new HDD won't get you banned from XBOX Live, either

Sony removed backward compatibility and OtherOS because it cost them money to keep up development for new models. I don't think for a second that it was because of hackers. There were already rumors of them killing off OtherOS, and that's why they had to make a press release about how they weren't disabling it to keep users happy. Once they found a scapegoat to take the blame for getting rid of OtherOS, that's who they blamed.

Recently, there have been/will be rootkits available for Android, iPhone, WebOS, Windows Phone, XBox 360, PS3, and the Wii. Apple tried to sue, they failed. Sony is trying to sue, they will most likely fail as well. Everyone else is sitting and watching how it plays out but is smart enough not to waste money.

Because if they win bet you money MS and Ninty may follow up. The difference between apple and sony is that hardware involved...a phone and a game system


No, the main difference is that Sony is the only company that does not provide an SDK for all users, a homebrew one had to be developed after geohot's exploit surfaced. There is hardware involved with all of my examples. Sony probably thinks that since developers are restricted to a small community, and they are the ones who chooses who is allowed to develop any app, that the legal result might be different from the Apple result.

Previously, the only way to write software for sony was to request a special developer kit from Sony. They had total control over every single one of them. For all the other examples, the SDKs are all either free or require a small fee, with no other restrictions. The way the law is written, it could be illegal for anyone to write any software that runs on their OS that is not part of their closed circle. With the other systems, you can write an app and test it, the corporate control is over which apps are accepted for sale in their distribution chain.

'Enabling Pirates' is partly why he is the person Sony is going after, but that means absolutely nothing in the US courts and probably only a little to them. They are going after him because previously they had 100% control over the entire supply chain over not just the systems, but the PS3 games as well. Now, people can develop without paying their royalties to Sony. While you may think the pirates are what is going to hurt sony so much, just look at the 360. It's doing fine financially with a buttload of pirates on thier system. Sony just seems butthurt over losing complete control.



pitzy272 on 22 February 2011

Wow, you support this guy? Amazing. Yeah, it's gonna be great if he wins so there's (even more) mass piracy and cheating. Man this news irritates me, and hearing anyone who supports him irritates me even more. I don't know what's going on in all of his supporters' heads, except the supporters who are hackers themselves.

This guy deserves to lose big, and I'll celebrate the day he does. He's caused so much trouble and problems for Sony AND gamers bc of his "act of freedom". He's crying about his rights, but the reality is he wants to win this for the sole reasons of: 1) not getting sued for his soul, and 2) so he can continue to make loads of money hacking. Anyone that supports him needs to wake up.