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dahuman on 20 February 2011
radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:
radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


I totally agree with you man. But the corporations could care less if you hack their product. What matter is that he mass released the hack, a hack that potentially ruins the PSN service and causes security problems on Sony's end. If i were Sony, i would be asking "wheres the Corporate freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked"?

I just believe that this isn't the way to fight this case. Not with Geohot, and not with the PS3. Its different to hack a product that is connected to network. And should be illegal in my book.


It's Sony's problem to tighten the security, they need to fucking deal with it just like every other company has, at least MS has a much healthier attitude about it, ban the shit out of cheaters and pirates, done, don't just lock out all access to PSN, that's just fucking dumb because there are prolly PSN Plus members or people who constantly buy PSN games on that list who have done nothing with piracy at all. The "Kill You All" method is always the worst one you can use just to prove a point in the modern era. There is no such thing as "freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked" btw, in the IT field, such thing never existed, and it will not exist, I'd know.

I get that, but it is still wrong in my book to hack something that has a network with vital information. Whether its on Sony or any other company. The thing people keep getting pissed at sony for is that "we have customer freedoms", but we can't be a customer if there is no business that will sell. The business Customer relationship is tainted and it started with the customer and the hack. 

I agree that the kill you all method is stupid, but it was in the terms of agreement. And they were warned no less. Sony has been really careful going in to this, and their methods seem fine to me. However Geohot on the hand, looks like a jackass. 

I am just saying that there should be a balance, a compromise towards where out customer freedoms allow us to hack, but without directy endagering the companies network.

He didn't hack the network at all, he was hacking the hardware key. He's absolutely right in saying that Sony is going after the wrong fucking person. The point should be, "don't fucking pirate or cheat online, we'll hammer your ass,'" not "you modify what you pay for, and we ban your ass in case shit happens!" It's just handled really poorly.



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Xen on 20 February 2011
dahuman said:
Xen said:
kowenicki said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


spot on.

Yes and no.

He's gullible in thinking that people will do good with said codes... while exploring the hardware is nice, yeah, the absolute majority uses his discovery to do malicious whatever... I've been following the stuff, and so far, nothing of real helpful use has even begun development.  By nature, people are bad IMO. This is why all this shit is happening instead of anyone getting useful programs.

I can't beleive that he believes that what he has done will have major benefit... he gave the monkey a grenade, pretty much.

Nothing useful came out right away after the iphone jailbreak either, the cydia and other thing came a while after. If you want to believe people are dicks by nature, that's fine, but that's got nothing to do with the fine print of what Sony is after. It's not that he's gullible, it's that he's simply releasing things for nothing just like all open source PC devs do, and that usually creates a core community that can make great things happen. Sony can ban all the fuckers that cheat or pirate, I don't give a rat's ass about that part at all, their fear is that their business model would be crushed by it and they should indeed do something about it, but this is not the fucking answer.

I guess we'll wait and then see what'll come of it, eh?

I still say: No good. Unlike other consoles, there isn't a whole lot to improve in the PS3.



IMU1808 on 20 February 2011

Fuck you, good Sir.



smbu2000 on 20 February 2011

Oh and for the people who do donate, any leftover donation money after the case is finished will be donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

http://www.eff.org/




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huaxiong90 on 20 February 2011
dahuman said:
Xen said:
kowenicki said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


spot on.

Yes and no.

He's gullible in thinking that people will do good with said codes... while exploring the hardware is nice, yeah, the absolute majority uses his discovery to do malicious whatever... I've been following the stuff, and so far, nothing of real helpful use has even begun development.  By nature, people are bad IMO. This is why all this shit is happening instead of anyone getting useful programs.

I can't beleive that he believes that what he has done will have major benefit... he gave the monkey a grenade, pretty much.

 Sony can ban all the fuckers that cheat or pirate, I don't give a rat's ass about that part at all, their fear is that their business model would be crushed by it and they should indeed do something about it, but this is not the fucking answer.

It sure doesn't seem like there is a means of getting rid of them completely now that the door is blown wide open (with the talk of them unbanning themselves and the sort)...now if Geohot and his team had taken requests from the community as to what homebrew apps they would like instead of just exposing the files for everyone to "use for themselves", I'd have no issue with that.

But to compromise PSN to prove a point...no sympathy from me.

If it was a PC, I could just join a secure lobby, or with a host that I trust. This is different.

Unless you'd like to explain?



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Areym on 20 February 2011

Knew it. He messed with the big boys and he's getting stumped. Now he's reduced to ask for spare change on the internet. Oh well, I don't really care for him or his cause.



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Xen on 20 February 2011
Areym said:

Knew it. He messed with the big boys and he's getting stumped. Now he's reduced to ask for spare change on the internet. Oh well, I don't really care for him or his cause.

He's not doing too bad looking at this thread...



Doobie_wop on 20 February 2011
kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Porcupine_I said:

great idea! ask the people for money who are too cheap to buy their games

This. Look at the size of his computer room. He is so underprivaliged that he had to hack just to play his games. I feel nothing for him. Also, with him pleading to those like him is the surest way to see not a dime come his way. I mean, why would they give him a dime when they dont pay a dime for games? In the words of PC gamers and Hackers everywhere, "You're expensive! DENIED!"


if you think this guy explores hacking to enjoy pirated games then you are severly mistaken.  Is your hatred based on envy of his wealth?


lol no. I have enough money for myself. Anyone who has shouldn't get in the way of others who create and try to make a living for themselves. This is my point. I play for my games and I pay for them. SImple concept.


you still dont understand what this guy is about...


Can you explain what he is about? What are his reasons? So far, all I've noticed is a whole bunch of bragging and then back peddling when he gets called out. His a 21 year old guy who's looking for an ego boost at any oppurtunity he can get and the only quality he seems to have is that he can hack stuff. If he wasn't such an ass, then he would have leaked the master keys anonymously and avoided this whole situation, but he wanted to be the big man and now Sonys going to bankrupt him into Oblivion. 

He isn't 'about' anything. He just doesn't give a shit and now that his realised that he can't hide behind the internet, he has to face the harsh consequences. He isn't anti-piracy, pro Linux, pro consumerism, he just cares about himself and spouts a whole lot of saint like rubbish to attract the pirates, anti corporatists and hackers, mainly so they can all talk about how evil Sony is, while patting each other on the back.

If you can, please tell me what Geohot is about and what were his motives for trying to hack the PS3 from the beginning.



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HKN on 20 February 2011

His ego caused all this , he could of posted anonymously and sony wouldn't know who to go after. The guy bullshits aswell anyone remember that post about how he doesn't care about privacy on the ps3 because it only hurts the big guys? he deleted it now tho. Anyone have a link to it?

 

He knew what he was getting himself into .



markers on 20 February 2011

Dude fuck that, your mess not ours. If you can not afford an attorney the state will appoint one to you, so stop asking for donations.

He is ignorant.