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radiantshadow92 said:
Tridrakious said:
mantlepiecek said:

Weren't the hackers going to ban everyone because Sony were teh bullies?

Oh wow, asking for donations in such a situation is just ridiculous, although I do feel a little bad for him.


I don't. I hope other companies (like Apple) send resources to Sony. Apple is looking into making a home console.


It doesn't really matter. No matter how much money he gets, he won't be able to beat Sony at a Lawyer battle. He is doing this, just like everything else he does. To get attention. He knows that it looks like he is getting his ass whooped right now (and he is), so he needs donations and what better way to ask then to make himself look like nothing when compared to the case. 

He is going to squeeze ever ounce of fame he can out of this.


If you are talking about a battle of money, he prolly can't win, if you are talking from the pure perspective of the law, he's prolly going to win everytime. If you don't see the problem with that picture, then you need to rethink the situation a little, it's not just about him, I don't give a rat's ass about his fame, it's the cause and how fucked up the whole scenerio is.



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His legal council must really suck. First he posts a video that will greatly damage him in front of any judge or jury. And wasn't one of the points of the lawsuit that he is profiteering from the hack by people sending him donations? Sure send him money, sony's legal council will love you for that.



dahuman said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Tridrakious said:
mantlepiecek said:

Weren't the hackers going to ban everyone because Sony were teh bullies?

Oh wow, asking for donations in such a situation is just ridiculous, although I do feel a little bad for him.


I don't. I hope other companies (like Apple) send resources to Sony. Apple is looking into making a home console.


It doesn't really matter. No matter how much money he gets, he won't be able to beat Sony at a Lawyer battle. He is doing this, just like everything else he does. To get attention. He knows that it looks like he is getting his ass whooped right now (and he is), so he needs donations and what better way to ask then to make himself look like nothing when compared to the case. 

He is going to squeeze ever ounce of fame he can out of this.


If you are talking about a battle of money, he prolly can't win, if you are talking from the pure perspective of the law, he's prolly going to win everytime. If you don't see the problem with that picture, then you need to rethink the situation a little, it's not just about him, I don't give a rat's ass about his fame, it's the cause and how fucked up the whole scenerio is.


I said the bolded already. Check out my reply to your other post.



kowenicki said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


spot on.

Yes and no.

He's gullible in thinking that people will do good with said codes... while exploring the hardware is nice, yeah, the absolute majority uses his discovery to do malicious whatever... I've been following the stuff, and so far, nothing of real helpful use has even begun development.  By nature, people are bad IMO. This is why all this shit is happening instead of anyone getting useful programs.

I can't beleive that he believes that what he has done will have major benefit... he gave the monkey a grenade, pretty much.



Geohot will win on legal muscle alone.  Just imagine all those hundred and even thousands of dollars saved from the piraters by not legitimately buying games will donate their savings to further their cause.  You know what they say, "honor among thieves" right?



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radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


I totally agree with you man. But the corporations could care less if you hack their product. What matter is that he mass released the hack, a hack that potentially ruins the PSN service and causes security problems on Sony's end. If i were Sony, i would be asking "wheres the Corporate freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked"?

I just believe that this isn't the way to fight this case. Not with Geohot, and not with the PS3. Its different to hack a product that is connected to network. And should be illegal in my book.


It's Sony's problem to tighten the security, they need to fucking deal with it just like every other company has, at least MS has a much healthier attitude about it, ban the shit out of cheaters and pirates, done, don't just lock out all access to PSN, that's just fucking dumb because there are prolly PSN Plus members or people who constantly buy PSN games on that list who have done nothing with piracy at all. The "Kill You All" method is always the worst one you can use just to prove a point in the modern era. There is no such thing as "freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked" btw, in the IT field, such thing never existed, and it will not exist, I'd know.



kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Porcupine_I said:

great idea! ask the people for money who are too cheap to buy their games

This. Look at the size of his computer room. He is so underprivaliged that he had to hack just to play his games. I feel nothing for him. Also, with him pleading to those like him is the surest way to see not a dime come his way. I mean, why would they give him a dime when they dont pay a dime for games? In the words of PC gamers and Hackers everywhere, "You're expensive! DENIED!"


if you think this guy explores hacking to enjoy pirated games then you are severly mistaken.  Is your hatred based on envy of his wealth?


lol no. I have enough money for myself. Anyone who has shouldn't get in the way of others who create and try to make a living for themselves. This is my point. I play for my games and I pay for them. SImple concept. I never bought my console to hack it either.



kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Porcupine_I said:

great idea! ask the people for money who are too cheap to buy their games

This. Look at the size of his computer room. He is so underprivaliged that he had to hack just to play his games. I feel nothing for him. Also, with him pleading to those like him is the surest way to see not a dime come his way. I mean, why would they give him a dime when they dont pay a dime for games? In the words of PC gamers and Hackers everywhere, "You're expensive! DENIED!"


if you think this guy explores hacking to enjoy pirated games then you are severly mistaken.  Is your hatred based on envy of his wealth?


And he's begging for donations.  Hmmmm...  How much did you give him?



dahuman said:
radiantshadow92 said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


I totally agree with you man. But the corporations could care less if you hack their product. What matter is that he mass released the hack, a hack that potentially ruins the PSN service and causes security problems on Sony's end. If i were Sony, i would be asking "wheres the Corporate freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked"?

I just believe that this isn't the way to fight this case. Not with Geohot, and not with the PS3. Its different to hack a product that is connected to network. And should be illegal in my book.


It's Sony's problem to tighten the security, they need to fucking deal with it just like every other company has, at least MS has a much healthier attitude about it, ban the shit out of cheaters and pirates, done, don't just lock out all access to PSN, that's just fucking dumb because there are prolly PSN Plus members or people who constantly buy PSN games on that list who have done nothing with piracy at all. The "Kill You All" method is always the worst one you can use just to prove a point in the modern era. There is no such thing as "freedom to sell a product with a network that isn't going to get hacked" btw, in the IT field, such thing never existed, and it will not exist, I'd know.

I get that, but it is still wrong in my book to hack something that has a network with vital information. Whether its on Sony or any other company. The thing people keep getting pissed at sony for is that "we have customer freedoms", but we can't be a customer if there is no business that will sell. The business Customer relationship is tainted and it started with the customer and the hack. 

I agree that the kill you all method is stupid, but it was in the terms of agreement. And they were warned no less. Sony has been really careful going in to this, and their methods seem fine to me. However Geohot on the hand, looks like a jackass. 

I am just saying that there should be a balance, a compromise towards where out customer freedoms allow us to hack, but without directy endagering the companies network.



Xen said:
kowenicki said:
dahuman said:

I'm donating, I didn't jailbreak my PS3 nor do I plan to in the future, the point here is not piracy. He was the one that jail broke the iphone resulting in making my life a ton better and I have never done any piracy on Cydia or the Apple store products. He's giving people an option to explore the hardware, how they want to use it is their own business, that's what being in the US is all about, freedom, yet coporations want to change the rules and the playfield and take our freedom away by limiting the things we can do to something we fucking shelled out a good amount of money for. Too many people are just thinking that this is a piracy stunt and are completely missing the fucking point.


spot on.

Yes and no.

He's gullible in thinking that people will do good with said codes... while exploring the hardware is nice, yeah, the absolute majority uses his discovery to do malicious whatever... I've been following the stuff, and so far, nothing of real helpful use has even begun development.  By nature, people are bad IMO. This is why all this shit is happening instead of anyone getting useful programs.

I can't beleive that he believes that what he has done will have major benefit... he gave the monkey a grenade, pretty much.

Nothing useful came out right away after the iphone jailbreak either, the cydia and other thing came a while after. If you want to believe people are dicks by nature, that's fine, but that's got nothing to do with the fine print of what Sony is after. It's not that he's gullible, it's that he's simply releasing things for nothing just like all open source PC devs do, and that usually creates a core community that can make great things happen. Sony can ban all the fuckers that cheat or pirate, I don't give a rat's ass about that part at all, their fear is that their business model would be crushed by it and they should indeed do something about it, but this is not the fucking answer.