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MARCUSDJACKSON on 21 February 2011

srry i don't fill srry for this guy

smart enough to hack but to stupid to know this would happen. play your games and wht's given to you by the manufacture and be happy with that.

i don't completly blame George Hotz for this. i partly blame who ever did wht ever they did to make Sony take away the other os feature.



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Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
Tsudai said:

Taken from http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/DVD/1201.html#b as linked in the FAQ at http://www.chillingeffects.org:

"(b) Additional Violations. -

  •  
    • (A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof;
    • (B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof; or
    • (C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing protection afforded by a technological measure that effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title in a work or a portion thereof.
    • (1) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that -
  • (2) As used in this subsection -
    • (A) to ''circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure'' means avoiding, bypassing, removing, deactivating, or otherwise impairing a technological measure; and
    • (B) a technological measure ''effectively protects a right of a copyright owner under this title'' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, prevents, restricts, or otherwise limits the exercise of a right of a copyright owner under this title."

The key is part of the PS3's technological protection measure. This part is used soley for the circumvention of this technological protection measure. Geohot "offered" this part to the public.

Er... that's a VERY loose definition... which is why I imagine is why the website you are quoting with doesn't really agree with you, hence the related Github stuff being posted on the website.

I refer you too

"it is my good faith belief that none of the code at https://github.com/hermesEOL/fail0verflow (see reference below) infringes on Sony's copyrights, and that their takedown notice is in error. further, Sony is attempting to abuse the DMCA to avoid public embarrassment (too late) and put the genie back in the bottle (too late), and has failed to meet the minimum requirements for giving DMCA notice (no details provided on which source code lines infringe copyright). the exposure of sloppy crypto implementation on Sony's part in no way infringes on copyright or makes available any of their proprietary internal software; the repository in question contains exclusively original third-party code that does not directly facilitate infringement. I consent to jurisdiction as laid out at http://help.github.com/dmca as of this date."

http://www.chillingeffects.org/responses/notice.cgi?NoticeID=56666

 

I mean, you realize the reason this lawsuit is happeneing in California and not say... New Jersey where the guy actually comittied the "crimes" he is accused of right?


They let you thorw in some things that pretty much EVERYBODY in california sues for, because sometimes you win even if you lose everything else, because the terms are so vague.



dsister on 21 February 2011
Xen said:

Nobody's doing any homebrew for it, too.


Geohot released it to the public in late Dec, or Jan(<-- I know that's when he released 3.55)? There is already quite a bit of homebrew

http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/signed-ps3-homebrew-list-and-download/#axzz1EcyBD9Ey

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f178/ps3-backup-managers-emulators-homebrew-list-68925/

I'm assuming it isn't against the rules to post links to homebrew



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forest-spirit on 21 February 2011
dsister said:
Xen said:

I did both because both lack various important fuctions such as region free games. The PS3 doesn't lack ANY and hasn't benefited FOR SHIT. His own actions annoy the fuck out of me, too - he's an attention whore.


So homebrew is only good when it benefits you? I've heard several people who came through the IM that used to be on this site who said they used Linux for the great multimedia properties, and emulator use. In fact that would be the only reason why I would use Linux on the PS3 because the media playback on the PS OS is kind of weak.

And CFW might open up so many more games for people. Just think, what if people started making fan translations of games like they do on the DS! Or heck b/c :D

Plus you complaining about Geohot just gives him more of that attention that he is looking for ;)


That's already happening! Tales of Vesperia for PS3 is getting a fan translation!



Xen on 21 February 2011
dsister said:
Xen said:

I did both because both lack various important fuctions such as region free games. The PS3 doesn't lack ANY and hasn't benefited FOR SHIT. His own actions annoy the fuck out of me, too - he's an attention whore.


So homebrew is only good when it benefits you? I've heard several people who came through the IM that used to be on this site who said they used Linux for the great multimedia properties, and emulator use. In fact that would be the only reason why I would use Linux on the PS3 because the media playback on the PS OS is kind of weak.

And CFW might open up so many more games for people. Just think, what if people started making fan translations of games like they do on the DS! Or heck b/c :D

Plus you complaining about Geohot just gives him more of that attention that he is looking for ;)

I can't (not) complain. And yeah, hacking is only good when there's room for benefit or somebody tries to extract benefit - but the PS3 has neither. Linux on the PS3 was infinitely slow and the homebrew... let's say... "rudimentary". There isn't a lot of games that you can patch, either, and nobody will be interested since Japanese imports are goddamn expensive.

Media playback is incredible on the PS3 Media Center. No less. B/C? Get a PS2. That's what I say about all B/C cases.



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skeezer on 21 February 2011
dsister said:
Xen said:

I did both because both lack various important fuctions such as region free games. The PS3 doesn't lack ANY and hasn't benefited FOR SHIT. His own actions annoy the fuck out of me, too - he's an attention whore.


So homebrew is only good when it benefits you? I've heard several people who came through the IM that used to be on this site who said they used Linux for the great multimedia properties, and emulator use. In fact that would be the only reason why I would use Linux on the PS3 because the media playback on the PS OS is kind of weak.

And CFW might open up so many more games for people. Just think, what if people started making fan translations of games like they do on the DS! Or heck b/c :D

Plus you complaining about Geohot just gives him more of that attention that he is looking for ;)P

I'm sure he's not looking for the attention we are giving him.



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Xen on 21 February 2011
dsister said:
Xen said:

Nobody's doing any homebrew for it, too.


Geohot released it to the public in late Dec, or Jan(<-- I know that's when he released 3.55)? There is already quite a bit of homebrew

http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/signed-ps3-homebrew-list-and-download/#axzz1EcyBD9Ey

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f178/ps3-backup-managers-emulators-homebrew-list-68925/

I'm assuming it isn't against the rules to post links to homebrew

Ports of stuff the the PC does infinitely better. Emulators of stuff on consoles suck, tried it myself. Servers don't really hold a point.



Scoobes on 21 February 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

srry i don't fill srry for this guy

smart enough to hack but to stupid to know this would happen. play your games and wht's given to you by the manufacture and be happy with that.

i don't completly blame George Hotz for this. i partly blame who ever did wht ever they did to make Sony take away the other os feature.


I believe that was him. He hacked it originally using the Other OS feature which lead to Sony taking it away in a firmware update. Then failoverflow team discovered this new hack and he decided to post it all over the net.




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voty2000 on 21 February 2011
huaxiong90 said:
voty2000 said:

I didn't miss anything.  Sony left a glaring flaw in their security and Hotz found a way to exploit and shared the exploit with others.  I strongly believe that we should be able to do what we want with what we own and don't see why anyone would disagree.  Ban the pirates and leave the modders alone. 

And if there was an absolute means of keeping the pirates and hackers off the PS3, then I'm all for it.

However, from the recent news I've been hearing, it doesn't sound so easy. If geohot was really against the pirates and just wanted to use the hack for his own use, he wouldn't have blown it wide open for the crooked people to use. Sorry, but he could have proven his point without compromising the PSN.

But like I said before, if companies use this as an excuse to take away my, or anybody else's freedom of using the console how he or I please, then I'm ready to toss any of their products out my window, and will never buy a product from them again until they revise their practices.

Don't make broad generalizations about people being bandwagon-riders or "not able to see the bigger picture".

I wouldn't make broad generalizations if they weren't true.  Never has this site been so anit-pirate and amazingly it occured after the PS3 was hacked.



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
Xen said:
dsister said:
Xen said:

Nobody's doing any homebrew for it, too.


Geohot released it to the public in late Dec, or Jan(<-- I know that's when he released 3.55)? There is already quite a bit of homebrew

http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/signed-ps3-homebrew-list-and-download/#axzz1EcyBD9Ey

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f178/ps3-backup-managers-emulators-homebrew-list-68925/

I'm assuming it isn't against the rules to post links to homebrew

Ports of stuff the the PC does infinitely better. Emulators of stuff on consoles suck, tried it myself. Servers don't really hold a point.

Other then, you know... not everyone wants to hook up a computer to their TV, but people may want to run this stuff on their TV.

In general you just seem to be selfrationalizing.  Whether it's your previous use of hacking or your new dislike for it... I can't say.

I mean, your arguement seems to be "I'm against this hacking, because it offers nothing I want!"