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voty2000 said:
Wagram said:
voty2000 said:

It's pointless to argue with these people.  They are simply bandwagon folks that suddenly became anti-modding when the PS3 was hacked.  None of these guys care about the Iphone being jail-broken or the Wii or the 360.  They could care less about their rights because it hurts their precious Sony.  Just be glad that their views make no difference in the grand scheme of things, only the courts views matter.  If it were up to them the PS3 would require DNA testing to log in and a Sony representative would come to their house and scan their PS3 before they can turn it on.  They are so blinded that they cannot see the bigger picture, which is basic rights.


Bullshit. I own both of those consoles as well and I will not support pirating or modding of any kind. I'm really starting to hope that Sony does start bricking consoles that are found with pirated software on it.

I don't pirate jack so don't say I do.  I'm simply for consumer rights and can't fathom how people support Sony on this.  I hope Sony bricks consoles with pirated games as well, just not people with modded consoles.  If nothing illegal is on it, Sony should leave it alone. Sony should only go after the piraters, not Geohotz.  He hacked the device and there should be nothing illegal about that and hopefully the courts rule in his favor or else consumers will loose the rights to do what they want with devices they own. 

I'm not simply calling you out with my original statement, but you know as well as I do that most the people in this thread could have cared less about pirating before the PS3 was hacked.   

He was fine up until the moron decided to SHARE it with everyone else. If he kept this to himself we wouldn't be having this discussion.



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Xen said:

This thread is hilarious. People donating to a publicity whore, somebody who CLEARLY did something illegal in the fact that he didn't just hack his own console, but distributed copyrighted code used to hack a whole GRID. Yeah. let him keep fighting for freedom, for the windows PC's that we won't be able to use for what we want anymore if Sony wins - a reminder for that meek argument: all PC's since win95, as far as I know, are open for exprimenting out of the box... and all PS's since the PS1 are closed. How the hell does this argument justify anything?

All of you who indeed donated, you could've burned that cash and you'd have the same exact results. All of you who said that they did, and there are indeed a lot in here, you are just sad and should find another hobby.

/endrant

We are clearly on that same wavelength 100% of the time 8)



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Hmmmm so if he is collecting money from this.... Dosent that mean he is profiting from this haxxeses? Thats ILLEGAL!



I see the hacking community and sony haters are bringing "interesting" excuses now...

You are allowed to hack your system. Sony allows you to do it : fact.

Read their official statement again, they allow it. You are just not allowed to use the PSN, that's all, which should be understandable to your brains considering (otherwise) it will allow you to play unfairly.

If Sony wins this nothings going to happen to your PS3. Their official statement will contradict if they change it and they are in a weak position as it is, so they can't afford to lose fans anymore than they have.



antfromtashkent said:

Hmmmm so if he is collecting money from this.... Dosent that mean he is profiting from this haxxeses? Thats ILLEGAL!


Not reading the thread then making a really sarcastic post just makes people not take you seriously... He is using this to pay for lawyer costs and all that is left over will be donated to the EFF.



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dsister said:
antfromtashkent said:

Hmmmm so if he is collecting money from this.... Dosent that mean he is profiting from this haxxeses? Thats ILLEGAL!


Not reading the thread then making a really sarcastic post just makes people not take you seriously... He is using this to pay for lawyer costs and all that is left over will be donated to the EFF.


.....Who cares what he is using it for....? He is still proffiting...



antfromtashkent said:


.....Who cares what he is using it for....? He is still proffiting...


And what exactly is he profiting off of? He is providing no services for this money, nor charging people for his CFW which he released for free.



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dsister said:
thismeintiel said:

Wait...didn't you just get done saying he NEVER distributed CFW?  But now you're saying his custom firmware wouldn't load pirated games?  So which is it?


The people he quoted said that Geo had modified some of Sony's firmware. Bubblegum(or whatever his name was >__<) quoted and said Geo hadn't done that, which he didn't.

He created his own, in which you couldn't play back-ups.

A CFW is a modified orginal firmware. It countains all the information present in Sony's firmware plus the ability to run unsigned code. So no he didnt made is own OS.



thismeintiel said:

Damn fine first post by Tsudai.  Welcome to the boards.  Unfortunately, some will ignore it and continue to scream about "consumer rights."  Of course, they will completely ignore company rights.  Without company rights, they would not be able to protect their interests/products, and many would go out of business.  With that comes the decline of tech advancement (there goes with all the cool little gadgets we are priviledged to have) and millions would lose their jobs, followed by the world economy turning to crap.  And yes, there has to be a balance between both sets of rights.  But we already have a very powerful tool to ensure our consumer rights, our wallet.  We are not forced to buy anything we don't want and corporations don't automatically get money from our wages.    This is something many seem to forget here.

Thanks for the welcome. I've been following this since the beginning, but didn't post anything cause internet back and forth doesn't amount to much, and really it's interesting to see people's view points. Plus, since this is affecting something that I enjoy, I wanted to know more about the laws and rules that govern it. People tend to throw around stuff like the DMCA(typo in my original post) and the new rules that apply to the iPhone jailbreak, but not many seem to, you know, research what they're "quoting". However, once people start to tangibly help, they should atleast be informed as to what can and cannot be applied to the case so that they can make an informed decision.

radiantshadow92 said:

Tsudai said:

Comparing the jailbreak of the iPhone with what is happening to the PS3 is a stretch, at best. The ruling for the jailbreak of the iPhone being legal states specifically that that ruling only applies to "wireless telephone handsets". On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, the Librarian of Congress created 6 new class of works that would be exempt from the DCMA, with 2 dealing specifically with jailbreaking of those "wireless telephone handsets".

The two classes as quoted from the Federal Register / Vol. 75 No. 143 / Tuesday, July 27, 2010 / Rules and Regulations are:

"B. Computer programs that enable
wireless telephone handsets to execute
software applications, where
circumvention is accomplished for the
sole purpose of enabling
interoperability of such applications,
when they have been lawfully obtained,
with computer programs on the
telephone handset."

and:

"C. Computer programs, in the form of
firmware or software, that enable used
wireless telephone handsets to connect
to a wireless telecommunications
network, when circumvention is
initiated by the owner of the copy of the
computer program solely in order to
connect to a wireless
telecommunications network and
access to the network is authorized by
the operator of the network."

The first class is one that many people would see as applying to the PS3 for the case of homebrewing. However, it states specifically that this new class is in regards to wireless telephone handsets ONLY. The second class is probably the one most people know of, that allows people to jailbreak their phones so that they can use their phones on the wireless network provider of their choice.

What I find interesting is another class, that in all probablility not many people know about, that was introduced by the Librarian of Congress in the same document as stated above that deals specifically with video games and the circumvention of their security:

"D. Video games accessible on personal
computers and protected by
technological protection measures that
control access to lawfully obtained
works, when circumvention is
accomplished solely for the purpose of
good faith testing for, investigating, or
correcting security flaws or
vulnerabilities, if:
•The information derived from the
security testing is used primarily to
promote the security of the owner or
operator of a computer, computer
system, or computer network; and
•The information derived from the
security testing is used or maintained in
a manner that does not facilitate
copyright infringement or a violation of
applicable law."

This is where I think SONY could have a case if you say PS3s are PCs. If Geohot brought the weak security protection to SONY's attention beforehand so that SONY could look into it and not just post the key on his site for the world to see, I doubt SONY would be suing him. If PS3s are not PCs, then it could be argued that this class does not apply.

So yes, Geohot has every right to hack HIS system. But when he posted the keys to the PS3 for everyone and their mother to see while pretty much giving SONY the finger, he crossed a line. He broke and exposed a flaw in the PS3's "technological protection measures", but he didn't use this knowledge to help SONY fix it. What he really did by exposing this flaw in the way he did it is "facilitate copyright infringement".

Link to the Federal Register PDF: http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf

Thats a good post you got there.

Thanks. What I would find ironic is if SONY uses that class that pertains to video games and the circumvention of their security against Geohot in this case. That new class came about because of what happened with SecuROM.

tl;dr Learn to read...? lol... j/k... Well not really, cause you really should read it; might learn something. Or not. It's up to you.



It's a pretty common practice to do this kinda thing

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