I was saying I have a reason to bitch if it is not taken care of fast. More money means more people on staff to take care of these problems in a timely manner and usually xbox live is good at catching such actions fast.

I never said it doesn't exist. READ THE POST BEFORE YOU GO OFF TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING I NEVER SAID.  So try to understand the post before running off at the mouth about me denying the truth.

SO what I put in bold is pure imagination on you part and putting words in my mouth.

The best interest was stated. If  I buy a product and want to smash it into the wall and take a sh-t on it, I will. Thats the point here. I shouldn't have to be sued because I made a video on how to smash the product and take a sh-t on it.

You're entitled to bitch about security issues regardless of whether you're on PSN or XBL. If it compromises the experience it doesn't matter whether you're a paying subscriber or not.

It's not as though, as you seem to be suggesting, that MS works faster or is better at catching exploits than SCE. Last since I checked, they never permanently plugged any of the gaps that allow modders to play pirated games. And in regards to security updates, I seem to recall a lot of people bitching about the frequent SCE firmware updates, many of which were nothing but security updates that contradicts your suggestion they're somehow lackadaisical about the issue because they don't charge for PSN.

Indeed :applause:

That was actually quite the read, thanks for sharing Tsudai

He hasn't missed the point.

I can assure you he has missed no point, he simply relises the true value of freedom of speech and is fully aware of the hierarchy of weights of importance of various rightmorals etc.

In this case geohot may have facilitated piracy, but his sole intention was not to do so. He even added features in his firmware modifying tools to disable piracy!!!

This isn't about what YOU feel is fair and just, this is about what IS fair and just. Neither you nor I nor the next person decide that. The law states geohotz is untouchable. If he can weather this one through he is guranteed to win, because he did some very important things...

1. He released tools that patch Sony's firmware - not distribute modifiied firmware.

2. He added anti-piracy safeguards to the patches he made.

3. He's never advocated piracy EVER and always spoken against it.

I mean you do realise that one his patches had been applied, his custom firmware wouldn't even allow backup managers to load pirated games, it took a couple of weeks for hackers to patch geohotz' firmware to allow them to run!

I See your point but on this site you will not get a unbiased point of view if it goes against sony.  This is why sony in the end will have to charge for PSN, Security. This is why I choose XBOX live. The extra money means they better fix the problem fast and flawlessly.  By paying for my service with xbox I have every right to b-tch that security should be up to par to deal with hacks such as so.

I didn't miss anything.  Sony left a glaring flaw in their security and Hotz found a way to exploit and shared the exploit with others.  I strongly believe that we should be able to do what we want with what we own and don't see why anyone would disagree.  Ban the pirates and leave the modders alone. 

Excellent point.  Where is that Linux Geo?  We had it to begin with (and most were very happy), then Geohot wanted to prove he was tough shit and started making some progress on hacking the PS3 through Linux, so Sony took it away.  Then he said he had a CFW that would allow access to the PSN and Other OS, but strangely never released it and disappeared from the scene.

Wait...didn't you just get done saying he NEVER distributed CFW?  But now you're saying his custom firmware wouldn't load pirated games?  So which is it?

Comparing the jailbreak of the iPhone with what is happening to the PS3 is a stretch, at best. The ruling for the jailbreak of the iPhone being legal states specifically that that ruling only applies to "wireless telephone handsets". On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, the Librarian of Congress created 6 new class of works that would be exempt from the DCMA, with 2 dealing specifically with jailbreaking of those "wireless telephone handsets".

The two classes as quoted from the Federal Register / Vol. 75 No. 143 / Tuesday, July 27, 2010 / Rules and Regulations are:

"B. Computer programs that enable
wireless telephone handsets to execute
software applications, where
circumvention is accomplished for the
sole purpose of enabling
interoperability of such applications,
when they have been lawfully obtained,
with computer programs on the
telephone handset."

and:

"C. Computer programs, in the form of
firmware or software, that enable used
wireless telephone handsets to connect
to a wireless telecommunications
network, when circumvention is
initiated by the owner of the copy of the
computer program solely in order to
connect to a wireless
telecommunications network and
access to the network is authorized by
the operator of the network."

The first class is one that many people would see as applying to the PS3 for the case of homebrewing. However, it states specifically that this new class is in regards to wireless telephone handsets ONLY. The second class is probably the one most people know of, that allows people to jailbreak their phones so that they can use their phones on the wireless network provider of their choice.

What I find interesting is another class, that in all probablility not many people know about, that was introduced by the Librarian of Congress in the same document as stated above that deals specifically with video games and the circumvention of their security:

"D. Video games accessible on personal
computers and protected by
technological protection measures that
control access to lawfully obtained
works, when circumvention is
accomplished solely for the purpose of
good faith testing for, investigating, or
correcting security flaws or
vulnerabilities, if:
•The information derived from the
security testing is used primarily to
promote the security of the owner or
operator of a computer, computer
system, or computer network; and
•The information derived from the
security testing is used or maintained in
a manner that does not facilitate
copyright infringement or a violation of
applicable law."

This is where I think SONY could have a case if you say PS3s are PCs. If Geohot brought the weak security protection to SONY's attention beforehand so that SONY could look into it and not just post the key on his site for the world to see, I doubt SONY would be suing him. If PS3s are not PCs, then it could be argued that this class does not apply.

So yes, Geohot has every right to hack HIS system. But when he posted the keys to the PS3 for everyone and their mother to see while pretty much giving SONY the finger, he crossed a line. He broke and exposed a flaw in the PS3's "technological protection measures", but he didn't use this knowledge to help SONY fix it. What he really did by exposing this flaw in the way he did it is "facilitate copyright infringement".

Link to the Federal Register PDF: http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf