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theprof00 said:
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You've never made more sense...



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dsister said:
theprof00 said:
theprof00 said:

 




You've never made more sense...

I always make perfect sense



Esquoret said:
fordy said:
scottie said:
IMU1808 said:
scottie said:

 

Problem here is that SONY's the one doing the manufacturing and selling.
Geohot's the douche that told a bunch of people how to use the device he had nothing to do with the creation of, how to use that device in a way it was never intended. This led to the people using it in ways that violated the law such as piracy and rumor has it, also a way to punish those that are using the device the way it was originally intended and doing nothing wrong... But hey, let's let Geohot be... he's not a bad guy... It's not his fault that his actions led to something bad.

 

Sorry if my analogy didnt make sense

 

Manufacturers of pocket knives provide the public with tools that can be used for good or bad, We don't blame them for people who misuse their product, we blame those misusing the knives.

 

Geohot is producing something that can be used for good or bad, but we are blaming Geohot instead of those who are creating and distributing (or even downloading) pirated games. Sony is very much sueing the wrong person and I am surprised so few Sony fans can acknowledge this.

100% true!

People should be rerouting their anger from Geohotz and towards the people who are actually performing acts of piracy. There IS a difference here, people.

Just posted my thoughts on the analogy, but I'll add a few things.

Your logic is not wrong, but your perspective is not wide enough.

The question is, was there piracy before Geohot cracked open the console? Alot more uncommon I suppose. And what has happened after the works of Geohot? Whatever his intentions were - I can even accept that he's 100% against piracy - he is still accountable to providing a much easier path for pirates and cheaters to accomplish their goals. It's about being a man and take the responsibility of the consequences of your actions.

I believe that IF he's 100% against piracy, he should play it real safe with the code and use it wisely, instead of releasing it to the whole world. See, the right use of a product is necessary for the protection of its consumers. What if the manufacturer of the knives sold freely to little kids as well, knowing that maybe one out of ten of these kids would stab someone in the eye playing with the knives. Should not the manufacturer take responsibility, and from that moment on employ regulations and laws for the protection of the people and their experience with the product.

Protection may seem a little over-protective at times, yet the fact remains that Sony is the creator of the PS3, so the creator has set the boundaries for interactions with their creation.

The PS3 already does alot. I know it doesn't do everything like it sensationally claims, but still for a console, it does enough. Sometimes as consumers we should just be content, or simply support someone else.

This whole thing seems to gained its spark from the removal of Linux. That act of Sony was done in protection from pirates - it's sad but not without good reason. Like seriously, why wouldn't Sony want their product to have one more function if it could without jeopardising security? The more things you do, the more appealing the product is, the better it should sell - it's common sense. I don't believe Sony is happy to remove one of their features that was promised with the PS3; they don't sit there and think, "Suck it, consumers! You thought you could install Linux, but not anymore!" No, but perhaps it's more like, "Shit, pirates have found a way through. Linux seems to be the weakness...Sigh, I guess we have to remove it for the bigger picture."

To sue Geohot is a stance that should be taken. Otherwise to me as a PS3-user it'll just seem like the creators don't even give a shit about the state of their creation. And also, again, Geohot should take some responsibility as he did something that wasn't in line with the creator's intention, and he did it in full knowledge of the channel that would be opened by his actions. The suing will not take down the pirates, hence they're hard at work at their infamous firmware updates too. But the suing is an expected, decent message in a lesson of trust and respect.


My thoughts exactly



Wagram said:
voty2000 said:

It's pointless to argue with these people.  They are simply bandwagon folks that suddenly became anti-modding when the PS3 was hacked.  None of these guys care about the Iphone being jail-broken or the Wii or the 360.  They could care less about their rights because it hurts their precious Sony.  Just be glad that their views make no difference in the grand scheme of things, only the courts views matter.  If it were up to them the PS3 would require DNA testing to log in and a Sony representative would come to their house and scan their PS3 before they can turn it on.  They are so blinded that they cannot see the bigger picture, which is basic rights.


Bullshit. I own both of those consoles as well and I will not support pirating or modding of any kind. I'm really starting to hope that Sony does start bricking consoles that are found with pirated software on it.

I don't pirate jack so don't say I do.  I'm simply for consumer rights and can't fathom how people support Sony on this.  I hope Sony bricks consoles with pirated games as well, just not people with modded consoles.  If nothing illegal is on it, Sony should leave it alone. Sony should only go after the piraters, not Geohotz.  He hacked the device and there should be nothing illegal about that and hopefully the courts rule in his favor or else consumers will loose the rights to do what they want with devices they own. 

I'm not simply calling you out with my original statement, but you know as well as I do that most the people in this thread could have cared less about pirating before the PS3 was hacked.   



voty2000 said:
Wagram said:
voty2000 said:

It's pointless to argue with these people.  They are simply bandwagon folks that suddenly became anti-modding when the PS3 was hacked.  None of these guys care about the Iphone being jail-broken or the Wii or the 360.  They could care less about their rights because it hurts their precious Sony.  Just be glad that their views make no difference in the grand scheme of things, only the courts views matter.  If it were up to them the PS3 would require DNA testing to log in and a Sony representative would come to their house and scan their PS3 before they can turn it on.  They are so blinded that they cannot see the bigger picture, which is basic rights.


Bullshit. I own both of those consoles as well and I will not support pirating or modding of any kind. I'm really starting to hope that Sony does start bricking consoles that are found with pirated software on it.

I don't pirate jack so don't say I do.  I'm simply for consumer rights and can't fathom how people support Sony on this.  I hope Sony bricks consoles with pirated games as well, just not people with modded consoles.  If nothing illegal is on it, Sony should leave it alone. Sony should only go after the piraters, not Geohotz.  He hacked the device and there should be nothing illegal about that and hopefully the courts rule in his favor or else consumers will loose the rights to do what they want with devices they own. 

I'm not simply calling you out with my original statement, but you know as well as I do that most the people in this thread could have cared less about pirating before the PS3 was hacked. 

You seem to be missing the point. I suggest you go back a few pages and read the comments of the pro-Sony posts. Or even read Tsuyui(sorry if I spelled the name wrong)'s post,which in my opinion, concludes the debate.



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ArnoldRimmer said:

I'll donate as soon as I get Linux on my PS3 back.

Excellent point.  Where is that Linux Geo?  We had it to begin with (and most were very happy), then Geohot wanted to prove he was tough shit and started making some progress on hacking the PS3 through Linux, so Sony took it away.  Then he said he had a CFW that would allow access to the PSN and Other OS, but strangely never released it and disappeared from the scene.  Hhmmm, me thinks he may have been lying.  Finally, failoverflow cracks Sony's decrytion, but doesn't release the codes for fear of legal action and/or the piracy it would bring.  But Geohot, once again trying to show how much of a tough shit he is, uses their method BUT publishes the code, resulting in the piracy we have now.  You can tell this guy is in it for only the publicity/recognition.

And really, if any one deserves any money, it's failoverflow.  Though, I don't think Sony is really troubling themselves with them, only Geohot for publishing the encrytion keys.



luvtospooge said:
voty2000 said:

I don't pirate jack so don't say I do.  I'm simply for consumer rights and can't fathom how people support Sony on this.  I hope Sony bricks consoles with pirated games as well, just not people with modded consoles.  If nothing illegal is on it, Sony should leave it alone. Sony should only go after the piraters, not Geohotz.  He hacked the device and there should be nothing illegal about that and hopefully the courts rule in his favor or else consumers will loose the rights to do what they want with devices they own. 

I'm not simply calling you out with my original statement, but you know as well as I do that most the people in this thread could have cared less about pirating before the PS3 was hacked. 

You seem to be missing the point. I suggest you go back a few pages and read the comments of the pro-Sony posts. Or even read Tsuyui(sorry if I spelled the name wrong)'s post,which in my opinion, concludes the debate.

I didn't miss anything.  Sony left a glaring flaw in their security and Hotz found a way to exploit and shared the exploit with others.  I strongly believe that we should be able to do what we want with what we own and don't see why anyone would disagree.  Ban the pirates and leave the modders alone. 



Icyedge said:

Some just dont get it. George hotz took Sony's firmware, modified it, and then distributed it on the internet. Distributing something that you dont own while not having permission from the owner is  unlawful whether or not its modified. He should have sneakly posted it on the internet but he wanted fame, now he needs to assume that you arent suppose to distribute what you dont own.

Whats funny, im not even anti piracy myself. Its just that Sony's are in their right to sue him so I dont see why its getting so much hating. You would probably do the same thing if your own software was getting pirated and distributed by someone who was dumb enough to name itself, think about it for a minute.


No, he did not distribute modified firmware. He distributed the tools needed for an end user to modify firmware they already downloaded
, therefore you're whole post is based on incorrect assumption.

 

...Next?



Icyedge said:
scottie said:
 

 

Sorry if my analogy didnt make sense

 

Manufacturers of pocket knives provide the public with tools that can be used for good or bad, We don't blame them for people who misuse their product, we blame those misusing the knives.

 

Geohot is producing something that can be used for good or bad, but we are blaming Geohot instead of those who are creating and distributing (or even downloading) pirated games. Sony is very much sueing the wrong person and I am surprised so few Sony fans can acknowledge this.

But distributing what you dont own is already illegal. In a perfect world, yes they should also sue everyone creating and distributing pirated games.


No, he did not distribute modified firmware. He distributed the tools needed for an end user to modify firmware they already downloaded
, therefore you're whole post is based on incorrect assumption.


He distributed NOTHING, that wasn't his.



Jay520 said:
Esquoret said:
fordy said:
scottie said:
IMU1808 said:
scottie said:

 

Problem here is that SONY's the one doing the manufacturing and selling.
Geohot's the douche that told a bunch of people how to use the device he had nothing to do with the creation of, how to use that device in a way it was never intended. This led to the people using it in ways that violated the law such as piracy and rumor has it, also a way to punish those that are using the device the way it was originally intended and doing nothing wrong... But hey, let's let Geohot be... he's not a bad guy... It's not his fault that his actions led to something bad.

 

Sorry if my analogy didnt make sense

 

Manufacturers of pocket knives provide the public with tools that can be used for good or bad, We don't blame them for people who misuse their product, we blame those misusing the knives.

 

Geohot is producing something that can be used for good or bad, but we are blaming Geohot instead of those who are creating and distributing (or even downloading) pirated games. Sony is very much sueing the wrong person and I am surprised so few Sony fans can acknowledge this.

100% true!

People should be rerouting their anger from Geohotz and towards the people who are actually performing acts of piracy. There IS a difference here, people.

Just posted my thoughts on the analogy, but I'll add a few things.

Your logic is not wrong, but your perspective is not wide enough.

The question is, was there piracy before Geohot cracked open the console? Alot more uncommon I suppose. And what has happened after the works of Geohot? Whatever his intentions were - I can even accept that he's 100% against piracy - he is still accountable to providing a much easier path for pirates and cheaters to accomplish their goals. It's about being a man and take the responsibility of the consequences of your actions.

I believe that IF he's 100% against piracy, he should play it real safe with the code and use it wisely, instead of releasing it to the whole world. See, the right use of a product is necessary for the protection of its consumers. What if the manufacturer of the knives sold freely to little kids as well, knowing that maybe one out of ten of these kids would stab someone in the eye playing with the knives. Should not the manufacturer take responsibility, and from that moment on employ regulations and laws for the protection of the people and their experience with the product.

Protection may seem a little over-protective at times, yet the fact remains that Sony is the creator of the PS3, so the creator has set the boundaries for interactions with their creation.

The PS3 already does alot. I know it doesn't do everything like it sensationally claims, but still for a console, it does enough. Sometimes as consumers we should just be content, or simply support someone else.

This whole thing seems to gained its spark from the removal of Linux. That act of Sony was done in protection from pirates - it's sad but not without good reason. Like seriously, why wouldn't Sony want their product to have one more function if it could without jeopardising security? The more things you do, the more appealing the product is, the better it should sell - it's common sense. I don't believe Sony is happy to remove one of their features that was promised with the PS3; they don't sit there and think, "Suck it, consumers! You thought you could install Linux, but not anymore!" No, but perhaps it's more like, "Shit, pirates have found a way through. Linux seems to be the weakness...Sigh, I guess we have to remove it for the bigger picture."

To sue Geohot is a stance that should be taken. Otherwise to me as a PS3-user it'll just seem like the creators don't even give a shit about the state of their creation. And also, again, Geohot should take some responsibility as he did something that wasn't in line with the creator's intention, and he did it in full knowledge of the channel that would be opened by his actions. The suing will not take down the pirates, hence they're hard at work at their infamous firmware updates too. But the suing is an expected, decent message in a lesson of trust and respect.


My thoughts exactly

 

You have already said much earlier in the thread that you don't care what happense to anything as long as you get your PSN..