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dib8rman said:

Wow, what a video - I think that was the op, I don't have much to say about Bahrain... the leader there is very religious but made accomidations for business and tourists to visit their horribly named but beutiful streets.

I've heard from friends most of the royals support comes from Saudi Arabia but I'm not sure how true that is... though it shows how far the Saudi's will go when they see no motivation from the west to enforce human rights at the least. Though I'm sure it's more complicated than that... in fact I know it is.

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If I remember correctly placing a no fly zone on Libya is something that can be achieved by naval force, most if not then all of their air strips are on the coast line.

Pretty much the entire country is on the coastline, though the Libyans have certainly taken advantage of that to hide stuff down there.



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I  don't understand why UN helps Lybia only and totally ignores situation in Bahrain. They should bomb pro-government troops and bloody interventors from Saudi there and help civils fight their rights!



MDMAniac said:

 

I  don't understand why UN help Lybia only and totally ignore situation in Bahrain. They should bomb pro-government troops and interventors from Saudi there and help civils fight their rights!

 


Despite Bahrain's transgressions, Libya's have been must worse?

Also, Bahrain isn't likely to go into a prolonged civil war that will lead to prolonged oil shortages.

US polticians are really missing their oppurtunity to push "See THIS is why we need alternative energy!"

Guess that's the result of the Democrats overspending their political capital when they have it.

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Kasz216 said:
MDMAniac said:

 

I  don't understand why UN help Lybia only and totally ignore situation in Bahrain. They should bomb pro-government troops and interventors from Saudi there and help civils fight their rights!

 


Despite Bahrain's transgressions, Libya's have been must worse?


Lybia might be worse but lots of civils are getting killed in Bahrain and this shouldn't be ignored. Especially after Saudis jumping into the bloody business.

I find it very hypocritical of Saudi to join UN in military operation against Gaddafi yet in Bahrain they do Gaddafi things themselves! This is so good and legitimate chance to take Middle East (and especially Saudis) resources under control, with all those protests everywhere in Middle East and Saudis oppressing it in their own country and Bahrain. Why US is totally silent about that and fucking up such a rare opportunity? Just because Saudi demonstrating their good side in Lybia? It's not like their support is desperately needed. RAF alone can bomb Lybia to hell, no problem with that.



MDMAniac said:
Kasz216 said:
MDMAniac said:

 

I  don't understand why UN help Lybia only and totally ignore situation in Bahrain. They should bomb pro-government troops and interventors from Saudi there and help civils fight their rights!

 


Despite Bahrain's transgressions, Libya's have been must worse?


Lybia might be worse but lots of civils are getting killed in Bahrain and this shouldn't be ignored. Especially after Saudis jumping into the bloody business.

I find it very hypocritical of Saudi to join UN in military operation against Gaddafi yet in Bahrain they do Gaddafi things themselves! This is so good and legitimate chance to take Middle East (and especially Saudis) resources under control, with all those protests everywhere in Middle East and Saudis oppressing it in their own country and Bahrain. Why US is totally silent about that and fucking up such a rare opportunity? Just because Saudi demonstrating their good side in Lybia? It's not like their support is desperately needed. RAF alone can bomb Lybia to hell, no problem with that.

Oh i compeltely agree.  I'm just saying that's the reasoning.  If it were up to me, the US would be pushing the UN to vote for support for those seeking democracy in all the nations with protestors.

I mean, this is the same UN that sent peacekeepers to the sites of Genocide, but then refused to give them permission to fire on the butcherers to save lives.  Basically just sending peacekeepers there to watch people be butchered.



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last i saw security forces in bahrain have only being using tear gas and rubber bullets against protesters...  which is different from murdering thousands, firing artillery indiscriminately at civilian targets, and dropping bombs on people...to cite a few of things that have happened in libya.  (yes there have been a couple deaths, but there is no systematic murder of them by the forces)



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MrBubbles said:

last i saw security forces in bahrain have only being using tear gas and rubber bullets against protesters


Yeah that's why there are killed and wounded  -.-

 

 

OT: Egypt started arming Lybian rebels! Fuck yeah, this is just great! Obviously bombing cannot be enough, and land operations against fucked Kadafi government is very much needed.

I wish Egypt could send some troops of their own to help rebels in these operations, even despite UN resolution. It still looks feasible though, especially in the light of their helping.



MDMAniac said:
MrBubbles said:

last i saw security forces in bahrain have only being using tear gas and rubber bullets against protesters


Yeah that's why there are deaths :)

 

 

OT: Egypt start arming Lybian rebels! Fuck yeah, this is just great, because bombing can't be enough and land operation agaist the fucking government is very much needed. I wish Egypt could send some troops there to help rebels despite UN resolution. It may be feasible especially in the light of their helping, though.

Rubber Bullets actually can kill people.    I mean, you get hit in the head with a baseball and you can die.

It's espiecally possible if the people firing are poorly trained or get overwhelmed, since theoretically you are supposed to fire at the ground and the bullets bounce up and hit people, if anyone gets directly it's very easy for them to die or get severe internal injuries.   Even from bounding up from the ground it's very possible to die.

Get hit in the head with a rubber bullet, and your in some SERIOUS trouble.

 

That's not even counting the people that could die from things like trampling.  Fire some shots in the air, people run... you've got two three people dead trampled as everyone else tried to save themselves.  It's even worse when you use teargas, because they might not even know they're trampling people.

It's totally possible to kill people with the nonleathal means we have currently.



Looks like Libya declared a cease-fire after seeing the writing on the wall.



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Mr Khan said:

Looks like Libya declared a cease-fire after seeing the writing on the wall.

Its a bluff. They've shown them still firing on the rebels after the supposed cease fire.



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