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Rainbird on 16 February 2011
superchunk said:
Rainbird said:

Fair enough, you did make a small contribution. But if you hadn't derailed the thread to begin with, you wouldn't have any responds to your comment, and the thread would have been nicely on topic all along, so please don't do that another time.

True, I probably should have just left this thread initially. But the report was just such a bad comparison I couldn't help myself. I mean when roxio comes out months ago and says they make $1m a month from just Angry birds on Android, that's pretty impressive and its fully from ads as the game is free. I think a comparison without using ad revenue is just stupid and ignorant.

True, the comparison isn't worth much without knowing what the ad revenue is, but I pointed that out in the OP. 



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AussieGecko on 16 February 2011
superchunk said:

True, I probably should have just left this thread initially. But the report was just such a bad comparison I couldn't help myself. I mean when roxio comes out months ago and says they make $1m a month from just Angry birds on Android, that's pretty impressive and its fully from ads as the game is free. I think a comparison without using ad revenue is just stupid and ignorant.


you are being stupid and ignorant, you are criticising people for using a phone which we prefer, what is your problem with this phone. If the numbers were the same in android vs win 7 phones you get the feeling the win7 revenue would shite all over it.

Win 7 phones also are a great opportunity purely from a sales perspective as well, they are getting numbers without having to go for ads. Ads are what piss me off in the iphone versions, i am assuming android gaming wouldnt piss  me off any less. It is why I try to stick to official aps that are connected with XBL. No ads.

So to finish you have ads I don't. I prefer my version.



 

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superchunk on 16 February 2011
AussieGecko said:
superchunk said:

True, I probably should have just left this thread initially. But the report was just such a bad comparison I couldn't help myself. I mean when roxio comes out months ago and says they make $1m a month from just Angry birds on Android, that's pretty impressive and its fully from ads as the game is free. I think a comparison without using ad revenue is just stupid and ignorant.


you are being stupid and ignorant, you are criticising people for using a phone which we prefer, what is your problem with this phone. If the numbers were the same in android vs win 7 phones you get the feeling the win7 revenue would shite all over it.

Win 7 phones also are a great opportunity purely from a sales perspective as well, they are getting numbers without having to go for ads. Ads are what piss me off in the iphone versions, i am assuming android gaming wouldnt piss  me off any less. It is why I try to stick to official aps that are connected with XBL. No ads.

So to finish you have ads I don't. I prefer my version.


My games don't have ads and the apps that do; its a mostly unnoticeable ad at the bottom/top of the screen that doesn't impede my use of the app. Plus, I can have XBLive on my Android too via 3rd party apps, doesn't give you points and what not, but I could access friends and stats etc. But, I will have that with Playstation Suite by end of year as I have a PS3 anyways not a 360.

btw, I didn't call anyone names or criticize anyone particular, just blasted the OS. Don't take it so personal.



AussieGecko on 16 February 2011
superchunk said:


My games don't have ads and the apps that do; its a mostly unnoticeable ad at the bottom/top of the screen that doesn't impede my use of the app. Plus, I can have XBLive on my Android too via 3rd party apps, doesn't give you points and what not, but I could access friends and stats etc. But, I will have that with Playstation Suite by end of year as I have a PS3 anyways not a 360.

btw, I didn't call anyone names or criticize anyone particular, just blasted the OS. Don't take it so personal.

You criticised the people using the win 7 phone, how is that not criticising people, and the only reason i called you the name is because i tend to do that in real life, even with non sensical words, i saw what happened coming.

In other words I am sorry for calling you stupid and ignorant, i didnt mean it that way.



 

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superchunk on 16 February 2011
AussieGecko said:

You criticised the people using the win 7 phone, how is that not criticising people, and the only reason i called you the name is because i tend to do that in real life, even with non sensical words, i saw what happened coming.

In other words I am sorry for calling you stupid and ignorant, i didnt mean it that way.

I relooked at my posts and I see myself critisicing WP7 and to a lesser extant iOS... I don't see any that criticise people.

I never meant to come out as attacking users if it was taken that way. (Granted I did use the term "iSheep" which I have since edited out...)



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Ail on 16 February 2011
disolitude said:
NiKKoM said:

that's kinda misleading cause most android apps are ad supported.. so it's a different money making model.. cause we already learned that nobody actually buys an android app compared to the iPhone..  so most companies switch their strategy a while ago.. and lol.. who in the world would make an Android or WP7 app first? the money is with Apple.. fruit ninja sold over 2 million..

WP7 apps are ad supported as well...free ones however. The ones you pay for have no ads.

As far as Iphone being the platform lead choice for apps...thats no contest really. Unless you're Netflix, Raphsody or similar...since because of the new subscription model, they have to pay Apple 30% more of the revienue simply because user is streaming their content through an iOS device.

Like Disolitude says, the new Apple subscription model is likely going to change things...

This is so much BS by Apple I don't even know where to start.

You are dreaming Steve Jobs if you think I am ever going to pay the 30% Apple VAT Tax !!!!!!

Burn in hell !!!

And long live the Kindle !!!

 

Seriously, what's next, Comcast asking for a 30% cut of every digital purchase I make ???



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

heruamon on 16 February 2011
Slimebeast said:
heruamon said:

Achievement whore UNITE!  Honestly, that's the primary driver for my desire to play games on WP7...you can bet ur ass that developers will look at his, and see that and sya..."Hey, if I can implement that buy once model, I can boost sales of higher quality..." As in...make a game for XBLA for dual use on the 360 and the WP7 platform...I'd drop the 800 MSP.

Cool, I agree.

Is that a guy from Demon's Souls or Dark Souls on your avatar?

Enslaved...



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- From By Schism Rent Asunder

yo_john117 on 16 February 2011
trasharmdsister12 said:

Ugh... leave the useless mobile wars for Engadget. Everyone has their own expectations of a mobile device and will choose accordingly. We should all be glad that the competition is driving all these companies to one up each other in various ways.

I personally like Maemo/Meego because I'm a mega geek and want full blown Linux computer capabilities in my pocket with zero virtualization, zero restrictions on customizability and zero need to "hack" anything to get what I want.

Others will like Android handsets for their constant updates and large app store and varying handheld form factors.

Others will like iOS devices because they want a large app store and not have to worry about messing around to get things going the way they want.

Finally, others will like WP7 for its well done integration with other MS products and overall solid performance and nice hardware.

Seriously, get over your own opinion. You just alienate yourself when you try to make it look superior to others. You don't appear smart. You don't achieve anything. You just end up looking like a major ass. Everyone will choose what they like based on their needs and expectations. I'm not against sharing your opinion and discussing why you feel this is the right handset for you but constantly bashing anything not pro- your opinion is useless.

/rant

Its a shame that such a good post went mostly unnoticed.

Anyways we have enough trouble with the console wars retardation why do we need mobile phone wars on top of it?



AussieGecko on 17 February 2011
superchunk said:

I relooked at my posts and I see myself critisicing WP7 and to a lesser extant iOS... I don't see any that criticise people.

I never meant to come out as attacking users if it was taken that way. (Granted I did use the term "iSheep" which I have since edited out...)

lets just agree to disagree, i was out of line, that is all i will say about it



 

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ArnoldRimmer on 17 February 2011

What a stupid comparison. Is it directly from Microsoft, trying to fool developers into thinking that writing software for WP7 is already more profitable than writing software for Android?

Anyone with at least tiny knowledge about mobile software markets knows that this is simply comparing apples and oranges.

First of all, there is practically no market for paid apps on Android. There are multiple reasons for this, the most obvious probably being that most people cannot even buy them. This is because on the official market you can still pay by credit card only. That probably works fine for the USA where every- but in Europe many if not most people don't even have a credit card, because nobody uses them over here. For example, there are three Android apps that I was really willing to buy - but I didn't, simpy because I don't have a credit card. I never used my last one, and I'm not going to get a new one only to be able to buy Android apps. If Google doesn't want my money, that's fine with me.

Ad-supported software has always been (and still is) the only way to make money on Android. Developers who sell two versions of their Android software (a free but ad-supported one and a paid but ad-free one) will earn way more money from the free version while the paid version will probably just get them a few bucks.

And another reason is of course that there is still hardly any software for WP7 available yet. As long as there are just a few games out there, each single one of them will get more attention than on Android where dozens of thousands of games are trying to catch the users attention.

So in the end the only good reason why developing for WP7 might become more profitable is because the same software on WP7 is usually several times as expensive than the Android version. While that is a slap in the face of the customers, it is indeed an advantage for the developers.