Correct me if im wrong here but isnt anime meant te aired on TV - Minus the movies. So they air and get the money from the advertizing... Most of those animes dont even make in in the west. But naruto and bleach were made popular in the US because of free sites and are now being broadcast here  and are now making more money. So comaping that to video games is a wee bit not right. Like the guy said direct sales is all that the Videogame industry has right now and piracy is messing that up.

Someone leaked a developer build online, isn't this the fault of whomever leaked it and not pirates themselves?

I am 38, I've been working for over 15 years, I have a wife, stepdaughter, I game 40 hours or more a week.

Your point ?

And the only reason we'll ever pay 100euros for a game is because the number of people actually purchasing games compared to the number of those pirating them is going down. And the cost of them isn't..........

It's high time the whole software industry starts regulating itself.

And if fines and jail won't work or aren't possible because the mass amount of people doing it, how about a keeping a registry of pirates so that no software company will ever offer them a job. That would be a start.....

Sex offenders can't work in schools.

Pirates shoudn't work in software companies....

Some dude left his car opened with the key in the ignition.

I guess that means whoever steals the car really isn't that bad of a person.....

How is that even remotely similar?  You can't be that dense surely.  One is negligence, the other is specifically breaching an NDA.

Its the guys fault for give a person the opening to steal his car. If it was locked it wouldnt have been stolen. Its still the theft that is at fault for theft, but the stupidity of the owner is the cause of the theft.

Still the leaked dev build is actually a failure on security on Crytek's part. The fact it leaked from someone who either stupidly left the network on their PC open, they purposely leaked it, or the left the files a media storage device and forgot it somewhere. Either way, it comes down to failure of internal security and NDA agreements. Pretty much if found out who leaked it no matter how it happened, person will be terminated.

Actually that's not ture. There was a recent study by the Japanese government that found that piracy of anime shows increased DVD sales. http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy-boosts-anime-sales-study-concludes-110203/

Anyway, I personally don't believe piracy is harming the industry. It may be harming specific developers (and even that is debatable) but not the industry as a whole. Piracy has always existed for any media (books, music, movies, video games...) yet those industries haven't died and still make enormous profits to this day.

That doesn't make the people that get said build off torrent any less guilty.

Which is the point Mummelmann was trying to make...

No, that was not the point I'm trying to make. I'm pointing out what ssj12 said; there has been a security breach and a failure to keep copyrighted material out of the possesion of the public by Crytek. Yes, torrenting games is wrong but someone at Crytek is wholly to blame for the torrent to even exist in the first place. Same goes for other games, books, movies or software that gets leaked; someone leaked it and people torrent it. The person(s) who leaked it is to blame for the leak and the pirates can be blamed for the torrenting (but not the leak itself).

Personally, just to clarify that I'm not a huge game torrenter, I usually only torrent TV shows. They either arrive a couple of years later here or they don't arrive at all on TV so it is pretty much my only chance of watching them at all.

A little side note on Tengen, they broke that lockout chip by going to the patent office and got Nintendo's patent on it to see how it works and then they reverse engineered it from that.  So they cheated to hack it.  Wonder if they didn't get those docs from the patent office if they would have broken the security.