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ameratsu said:

And If that wasn't enough, twestern rips Jim's entire article anti-piracy rant, including images, onto another site without permission.

/beat dead horse


Also, articles on Destructoid are freely shareable.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/

So suck it?



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Baalzamon said:
Killy_Vorkosigan said:

Oh also, too funny that you twesterm, bash piracy while pirating the article of Dtoid, pictures included ^^

So non-piraters have now been blamed for the following things in the last week:

Pirating avatars

Pirating articles that are fully sourced

...I wonder what we are going to get blamed for next by the video game pirates themselves.

The next World War most likely at the rate things are going.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

Wait, Killzone 3 was also leaked, and thus is a reason developers hate PC gamers?  Nice one.  Also I like how he rails about pirates somehow 'helping themselves' to unfinished builds of the game.  That's impossible unless someone inside leaks the damn thing in the first place.



Lostplanet22 said:
Rainbird said:
cr00mz said:
Rainbird said:
cr00mz said:

all i got from that is some bla bla a little whine whine and some more bla bla

Talking about developers not earning enough money because many people play games without paying for them? Yes, there's no relevance or anything else in this article, just whining.

well i think this is common knowledge by now. What does yet another article accomplish? does he think everyone will magically stop pirating or what?

Of course not, but that doesn't mean he can't put attention on the subject. There's no reason to be silent and just let all of this happen without trying to bring attention to it.

It would have been better if he comes up with a solution than just being guy 100.000 who complains about it on the internet;.

Then again it is not the only industry getting hurt...Especially the Anime publishers are getting hurt;..You can find easily more than 100 members downloading anime episodes..Probably saw more than 40-50 series;...and would not be surprised if less than 10 members buys the anime...  I know how it hurts considering I invested in one (Nekotachi entertainmen)  ...


Well, a lot of anime viewers do that because it's the only way to watch them... The only country where all anime is available is Japan, then other countries get the licenses for some series, but not all, and there's countries where there's no way to get anime... So i don't blame them if they like anime but they have no way to watch the shows but downloading them from illegal sites...

Same thing happened with metal music, if you watch the documentary "Global Metal" you can see Lars Ulrich talking with Sam Dunn how their fanbases in some countries grew really fast because of piracy, and he was cool with it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRx9Q4IFHI

(BTW, i don't think he ate his words, when he fought Napster, he was focusing on developed countries, especially the U.S.)

I don't like piracy but i don't have a problem with it when it's the only way to get what you like...



In Canada, Pirating games isn't downloading them, it's the process of uploading them or the process of downloading with the intent of redistribution. Me being Canadian I'm fine with that law since it punishes people that make money off of someone elses product. I don't support pirating but I do play pirated games for free, mostly games that I already own a copy of.



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Yes because PC gaming is the only market that has issues with software piracy... quit complaining, it will only get worse on consoles and handhelds. And Nintendo announcing that the 3DS is unhackable instantly makes the 3DS a target to hack first next handheld generation. PC has been around longer so of course piracy is higher.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/84087/killzone-3-leaked-onto-torrent-sites/

http://www.1up.com/news/halo-3-pirated-net

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/09/ridiculous-psp-piracy-numbers/

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/06/13/spotting-pirated-nintendo-ds-carts/

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/04/wiiware-games-hacked-pirated-and-brought-to-north-american-wii/



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ssj12 said:

Yes because PC gaming is the only market that has issues with software piracy... quit complaining, it will only get worse on consoles and handhelds. And Nintendo announcing that the 3DS is unhackable instantly makes the 3DS a target to hack first next handheld generation. PC has been around longer so of course piracy is higher.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/84087/killzone-3-leaked-onto-torrent-sites/

http://www.1up.com/news/halo-3-pirated-net

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/09/ridiculous-psp-piracy-numbers/

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/06/13/spotting-pirated-nintendo-ds-carts/

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/04/wiiware-games-hacked-pirated-and-brought-to-north-american-wii/

 

Really? they called it "unhackable"??? don't they ever learn?

I still remember when everyone (including Atari Tengen) tried to hack the 10NES lockout chip, and when they discovered the voltage spike, the market flooded with pirate cartridges... 



The Anarchyz said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Rainbird said:
cr00mz said:
Rainbird said:
cr00mz said:

all i got from that is some bla bla a little whine whine and some more bla bla

Talking about developers not earning enough money because many people play games without paying for them? Yes, there's no relevance or anything else in this article, just whining.

well i think this is common knowledge by now. What does yet another article accomplish? does he think everyone will magically stop pirating or what?

Of course not, but that doesn't mean he can't put attention on the subject. There's no reason to be silent and just let all of this happen without trying to bring attention to it.

It would have been better if he comes up with a solution than just being guy 100.000 who complains about it on the internet;.

Then again it is not the only industry getting hurt...Especially the Anime publishers are getting hurt;..You can find easily more than 100 members downloading anime episodes..Probably saw more than 40-50 series;...and would not be surprised if less than 10 members buys the anime...  I know how it hurts considering I invested in one (Nekotachi entertainmen)  ...


Well, a lot of anime viewers do that because it's the only way to watch them... The only country where all anime is available is Japan, then other countries get the licenses for some series, but not all, and there's countries where there's no way to get anime... So i don't blame them if they like anime but they have no way to watch the shows but downloading them from illegal sites...

Same thing happened with metal music, if you watch the documentary "Global Metal" you can see Lars Ulrich talking with Sam Dunn how their fanbases in some countries grew really fast because of piracy, and he was cool with it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRx9Q4IFHI

(BTW, i don't think he ate his words, when he fought Napster, he was focusing on developed countries, especially the U.S.)

I don't like piracy but i don't have a problem with it when it's the only way to get what you like...

So it is also okay that I would download The last Story now?  Because if I am right their is no license for EU/NA yet? I am pretty sure that when I do that their will be some furious comments...  True their are anime series that don't get a Western Release...And that is especially because almost no one buys Anime but in the end if I even take a quick look on the updates of my Friends wall on Vgchartz..
'Hey the last chapter of one Piece is onlinei'  'Pff the last episode of Bleach was meh'...'I know a good website where you can watch the episodes of Naruto' etc...

And that is what makes the anime industry in a worse state...people find it normal to not buy anime.



 

Taking pirates to justify his hatred against PC gamers in general, honest ones included (the majority, although not as big in percent, as console ones), isn't the right attitude. Utter failure. Not to mention that facts prove that given the opportunity, console gamers pirate as much as PC ones.

I smell crow in his breath, maybe he's mad because PC gamers have more freedom and defend it more vigorously and effectively.



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Don't know about anime, it's a pretty grey area. Most of it is on TV to start with, DVDs and BDs are for the fans of a series. The woudn't-have-bought-it bit most definitely applies in the case of anime, for the huge majority of series. And since that article was not about morals and law but about damage, none done there, and I've dled and watched all the anime for which I've later bought a copy, and it's highly unlikely that I'd have bought anything if the anime hadn't impressed me enough to make me want a physical copy.