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Naruto's ending

Naruto dies to Sasuka 2 11.11%
 
Sakura dies 1 5.56%
 
Sasuka dies to Naruto 6 33.33%
 
Everyone lives 4 22.22%
 
Everyone dies 5 27.78%
 
Total:18
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
radiantshadow92 said:
amp316 said:

@ Mr Khan  I don't see how Kurenai's character was destroyed.  If anything, what happened gives her the juicy backstory that Asuma didn't have.  She has to raise a child alone and the man she loves is gone.  This actually can make her a tougher character.  


I feel like her character was destroyed because her genjutsu got owned by itachi's lol. Now shes just "the mother of asumas son" When she could have been "the best genjutsu ninja in the leaf" Since no one else is any good at genjutsu anymore.

This, mostly. Given my fandom of Other M, i don't like to pitch the sexist card that easily, but when one of your few strong female characters is reduced to strictly "the pregnant chick," losing all of her badassery in the process, i would think that calls for ruination

When was she ever Badass?

She's only ever used one Justu... and it doesn't work half the time she uses it.

She was about as Badass as Sakura or Ino.

She never really gave off a badass vibe, or a "I'm dangerous" vibe.

She was consistantly portrayed as the weakest Jonin group leader by far who's only strongpoint was that she was the best at the least utilized kind of Jutsu in the series.

Having a kid basically was a natural development for her character and personality.

Now if this was Anko on the otherhand... i'd see your problem.

I suppose you're right. Her character was about as undeveloped as Asuma's when we ran into that arc (though both her and Asuma were more developed if you count filler, she got an Arc in the pre-shippuden mass filler, just like he got the one right before he died), rather i disapproved of where they took her character

It's not so much that she got pregnant, but by doing so she became someone that Shikamaru has to protect, as if she's helpless now or something. Obviously i'm aware that violence during the pregnancy could impact the child so you're not going to be the same, but it's like conception just sucked 100% of the power right out of her, her potential as a shinobi reduced entirely to child-bearer and burden for the men. It's chickification taken to its furthest extreme

And i suppose that's what bugged me the most. She had potential, and that's how they chose to develop her



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radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
radiantshadow92 said:
amp316 said:

@ Mr Khan  I don't see how Kurenai's character was destroyed.  If anything, what happened gives her the juicy backstory that Asuma didn't have.  She has to raise a child alone and the man she loves is gone.  This actually can make her a tougher character.  


I feel like her character was destroyed because her genjutsu got owned by itachi's lol. Now shes just "the mother of asumas son" When she could have been "the best genjutsu ninja in the leaf" Since no one else is any good at genjutsu anymore.

This, mostly. Given my fandom of Other M, i don't like to pitch the sexist card that easily, but when one of your few strong female characters is reduced to strictly "the pregnant chick," losing all of her badassery in the process, i would think that calls for ruination

When was she ever Badass?

She's only ever used one Justu... and it doesn't work half the time she uses it.

She was about as Badass as Sakura or Ino.

She never really gave off a badass vibe, or a "I'm dangerous" vibe.

She was consistantly portrayed as the weakest Jonin group leader by far who's only strongpoint was that she was the best at the least utilized kind of Jutsu in the series.

Having a kid basically was a natural development for her character and personality.

Now if this was Anko on the otherhand... i'd see your problem.

 

No, she got her ass kicked too lol


Well of course she did.  That dudes been insane lately.  It's not like badass mean's "I can kick everyones ass no matter what."  Badass is an attitude... and really it's keeping that attitude while getting your ass beat more then anything else.

Like when Captain America charged at a omnipotent all powerful Thanos after seeing him 1-shot heroes that could of 1-shotted him.

Kurenai pretty much always was stuck with the "nurturing woman" route.  Of which childbirth was the natural progression.



Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
radiantshadow92 said:
amp316 said:

@ Mr Khan  I don't see how Kurenai's character was destroyed.  If anything, what happened gives her the juicy backstory that Asuma didn't have.  She has to raise a child alone and the man she loves is gone.  This actually can make her a tougher character.  


I feel like her character was destroyed because her genjutsu got owned by itachi's lol. Now shes just "the mother of asumas son" When she could have been "the best genjutsu ninja in the leaf" Since no one else is any good at genjutsu anymore.

This, mostly. Given my fandom of Other M, i don't like to pitch the sexist card that easily, but when one of your few strong female characters is reduced to strictly "the pregnant chick," losing all of her badassery in the process, i would think that calls for ruination

When was she ever Badass?

She's only ever used one Justu... and it doesn't work half the time she uses it.

She was about as Badass as Sakura or Ino.

She never really gave off a badass vibe, or a "I'm dangerous" vibe.

She was consistantly portrayed as the weakest Jonin group leader by far who's only strongpoint was that she was the best at the least utilized kind of Jutsu in the series.

Having a kid basically was a natural development for her character and personality.

Now if this was Anko on the otherhand... i'd see your problem.

I suppose you're right. Her character was about as undeveloped as Asuma's when we ran into that arc (though both her and Asuma were more developed if you count filler, she got an Arc in the pre-shippuden mass filler, just like he got the one right before he died), rather i disapproved of where they took her character

It's not so much that she got pregnant, but by doing so she became someone that Shikamaru has to protect, as if she's helpless now or something. Obviously i'm aware that violence during the pregnancy could impact the child so you're not going to be the same, but it's like conception just sucked 100% of the power right out of her, her potential as a shinobi reduced entirely to child-bearer and burden for the men. It's chickification taken to its furthest extreme

And i suppose that's what bugged me the most. She had potential, and that's how they chose to develop her

See... I don't think that qualfies because she never really did show off her action credentials too much in the first place.  I put her in the Ino, Sakura category but slightly more accomplished.

She was pretty much the only teacher who never got to do ANYTHING.  All she did was provide expostion... free up other characters so they could do the interesting stuff when the colisiuem happened... and that was it.  I don't even think they really hinted that she'd be badass because they gave her Genjutsu as what she was good at.

Genjutsu was always destined to be portrayed as underpowered because none of the main characters had any genjutsu chops at all... and really if it wasn't underpowered it would be overpowered.

I mean, come to think of it... none of the Ninja's in Naruto's age group even use genjutsu do they?

Besides, considering her general attitude was always a "motherly like attidue" towards her cadets... could you picture her in combat much and how it would flow?

I don't really think they did a bad job with her character.  All the adult female Ninjas are fine....

 

The younger ones though....  I mean, my god... why the hell was Sakura even a Ninja Pres- Shippudan?  She didn't do ANYTHING except get her ass kicked and cry... and do that trick where she becomes a log...

Like the most useful thing she does the entire time is bite someone while getting punched in the head.  I mean, everyone else had a freaking talent or signature technique... she didn't have anything, and she was one of the most used characters!



Kasz216 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
radiantshadow92 said:
amp316 said:

@ Mr Khan  I don't see how Kurenai's character was destroyed.  If anything, what happened gives her the juicy backstory that Asuma didn't have.  She has to raise a child alone and the man she loves is gone.  This actually can make her a tougher character.  


I feel like her character was destroyed because her genjutsu got owned by itachi's lol. Now shes just "the mother of asumas son" When she could have been "the best genjutsu ninja in the leaf" Since no one else is any good at genjutsu anymore.

This, mostly. Given my fandom of Other M, i don't like to pitch the sexist card that easily, but when one of your few strong female characters is reduced to strictly "the pregnant chick," losing all of her badassery in the process, i would think that calls for ruination

When was she ever Badass?

She's only ever used one Justu... and it doesn't work half the time she uses it.

She was about as Badass as Sakura or Ino.

She never really gave off a badass vibe, or a "I'm dangerous" vibe.

She was consistantly portrayed as the weakest Jonin group leader by far who's only strongpoint was that she was the best at the least utilized kind of Jutsu in the series.

Having a kid basically was a natural development for her character and personality.

Now if this was Anko on the otherhand... i'd see your problem.

 

 

No, she got her ass kicked too lol


Well of course she did.  That dudes been insane lately.  It's not like badass mean's "I can kick everyones ass no matter what."  Badass is an attitude... and really it's keeping that attitude while getting your ass beat more then anything else.

Like when Captain America charged at a omnipotent all powerful Thanos after seeing him 1-shot heroes that could of 1-shotted him.

Kurenai pretty much always was stuck with the "nurturing woman" route.  Of which childbirth was the natural progression.


Fine....but i still want to see sakura die.



Kasz216 said:

See... I don't think that qualfies because she never really did show off her action credentials too much in the first place.  I put her in the Ino, Sakura category but slightly more accomplished.

She was pretty much the only teacher who never got to do ANYTHING.  All she did was provide expostion... free up other characters so they could do the interesting stuff when the colisiuem happened... and that was it.  I don't even think they really hinted that she'd be badass because they gave her Genjutsu as what she was good at.

Genjutsu was always destined to be portrayed as underpowered because none of the main characters had any genjutsu chops at all... and really if it wasn't underpowered it would be overpowered.

I mean, come to think of it... none of the Ninja's in Naruto's age group even use genjutsu do they?

Besides, considering her general attitude was always a "motherly like attidue" towards her cadets... could you picture her in combat much and how it would flow?

I don't really think they did a bad job with her character.  All the adult female Ninjas are fine....

 

The younger ones though....  I mean, my god... why the hell was Sakura even a Ninja Pres- Shippudan?  She didn't do ANYTHING except get her ass kicked and cry... and do that trick where she becomes a log...

Like the most useful thing she does the entire time is bite someone while getting punched in the head.  I mean, everyone else had a freaking talent or signature technique... she didn't have anything, and she was one of the most used characters!

I don't know, Sakura i've liked because she was the badass normal, as it were. Everyone else got their powers through legacy or something they were given (Kyuubi), everyone (out of the younger set) except for Sakura, Lee, and Tenten (possibly) who got where they were on their own. In Sakura's case that made her weak as fuck in the first set, but she had the kind of good sense and pure grasp of the fundamentals that both Naruto and Sasuke lacked (as we can recall from that walking-up-trees traning excercise), and she made her strength on her own, though recently she's gone back to useless, but that's because the manga's slipped somewhat into god mode of late

Maybe i misinterpreted Kurenai's character? idk, but the original point i made was that that arc bugged me for those reasons, though i agree that Shikamaru's beatdown on Hidan was epic



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hmmm....I think will get an obvious ending of naruto becoming hokage and all the "sunshine and rainbows stuff"

as for the current ark:

I'm expecting sasuke to die in some honorable/redeeming way

I have a feeling  Neji, Temari or Kankuro, Kiba or Shino, maybe sakura will die

somehow madara will get his hands on the eight-tailed beast, then somehow release the 10 tailed beast where naruto will eventually fight him and win.