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Zkuq said:

No, but if the desktop versions of Windows are any indication of MS's capability to develop working software (the desktop versions are slow and somewhat unstable - true, no huge crashes anymore but I think I notice more or less annoying glitches every week or so). And more importantly, I don't like the way MS handles things.

Anyway, I can't afford getting a new phone that often so even if I wanted, I doubt I could try every OS I wanted to. But personally I think Android is the future (and the present) right now, and I also look forward to MeeGo (though not so much after this announcement anymore).


Wow... how about not comment about something you are yet to experience, I mean go to a phone company stall and test one out and dont be so anti things just because.

I know a lot of people who would never use a mac but have an iphone... it is a phone. Annoying...

Win7 phone is one OS, it has just different power... any test would work. Have you used an Android or are you saying that because you don't like mac and microsoft without even trying any of them...



 

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Joelcool7 said:

I notice everyone talking Android and IOS. But nobody is remembering BlackBerry they haven't gone Android to my knowledge. I'm sure they are doing better then Windows Phone 7 though I gotta admit their market share is shot to shit. I think Windows Phone 7 (Nokia) will have to take out Research In Motion first if they plan on challenging Android and IOS.

Honestly I am cheering for Research in Motion, go BlackBerry!


BB uses Symbian as far as I know... might they go that way as well?



 

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NotStan said:
disolitude said:

These early Nokia build concepts look alright to me. This already spells mass...market...appeal... to me.

I like the screen, not too hot on the back though.

Good move for both companies, not sure if I want to something incredibly good to come out of it though, a more powerful corporation is never essentially a good thing. As long as the products are good, I am satisfied.


ooooooh purrrdy looks like a may get a nokia once again...



 

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disolitude said:

These early Nokia build concepts look alright to me. This already spells mass...market...appeal... to me.

 


I'm not in need of a smartphone, but they do look good and they might sell well. In the short term (say one year), for Nokia to have some smartphones out there beats having none, as they are being pummeled in the highest margin segment of the market.

I think that the concerns of some stakeholders and tech analysts comes from the mid-term and long-term range, though. Basically Nokia chose to became the biggest fish in the (presently) smallest pond (the WP7 market), instead of competing with the likes of HTC, Motorola, LG etc in the field of "value proposition by differentiation over barebone Android".

But they have basically chosen to outsource the entirety of the software infrastructure. They have an OS they don't write, that they are allowed to customize in a minor way but that they aren't allowed to fragment. They have their appstore infrastructure absorbed and integrated into MS' one, and will be shackled to whatever direction MS takes with that.

Which poses problems in mid and long term when it comes to agility. Apple has been very focused with iOS and has been conquering new untapped markets at the highest margins. Android and WebOS devices are following the way quite aptly, bringing cheaper competition first to phones, in the future with tablets.

But Nokia is now shackled to MS, so they will enter tablets either

1) with a MeeGo product, powered by an OS that is practically stillborn, as they are disbanding much of the R&D on it and moving people to MS integration projects

2) when MS develops a strategy for that... ie when they decide that they will stop trying to push Win7 on tablets and take the same way as iOS, Android, WebOS and recognize that it requires a careful design, very different from a desktop OS.

But tablets are oldish news... let's take steps further. New higher margin markets will be born. Apple will usually open some of those paths, Android devices will have a common basic infrastructure with specialized value propositions... and Nokia will invariably be a follower if they can't control their software and network stack. Ecosystems is where it's at now... and Nokia chose to lose most control of theirs.

As I said it's basically a takeover. Great for MS, they now have a smartphone hardware division, let's see what they can do with it. But I can understand why they had to dispel the notion that the company is moving to US.



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Xen said:

Nokia's about to get a whole lot better.

This. 

Nice to see them get rid of that outdated symbian system.



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trasharmdsister12 said:
NotStan said:

I wouldn't go as far as to say that looks phat :p, maybe 'tis the prototype designs and the final will have improvements, that just looks like a generic smartphone tbh, but then again there is barely any room left for expansion or innovation in this day and age. If I were to buy anything, I am ashamed to admit that I'd buy an iPhone, I just wouldn't be stupid enough to upgrade every time Steve Jobs shouts "GO MY DARLINGS!GO AND BUY THE NEW APPLE PRODUCT". And my little Xperia is cheap, I think I am still even on the frigging contract for it, which is a shame really as I can't wait to upgrade, it's been bugging me with constant freezing and slow loading..

I was eyeing the X1 and X2 a few years back. I tend to buy a phone and stick to it for longer than the average person (4-5 years). I got my N900 a year ago and I couldn't be happier with it. The great thing about it is how much it can be modified. When newer phones came out in the 800 MHz to 1 GHz processor speed, I simply overclocked my N900 to 900 MHz. The only problem is that the battery life on this thing sucks even at stock speeds.

Yeah I stick to the phone for a few years too, I think it doesn't help the fact that I have a longass contract too, so I am chained to X8 for a while haha lol. Beats the Sony Ericsson I had. You know it's ironic, I always get Sony ericssons :p But I was eyeing HTC wildfire or desire, but ended up picking this up for a cheap contract, well so I thought at the time.



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WereKitten said:


I'm not in need of a smartphone,

You're obviously deluded. I can't take the rest of what you said seriously when you opened with the above.

Please go and buy a smart phone so you can comment adequately on this topic. Hop to it.



Tease.

A lot of chatter about the Nokia stock but this is more in line with the earlier announcement from the CEO that the company was in trouble. The stock point was actually higher than its low some 6 months ago so I see this as a readjustment to a realisation Nokia was not doing as well as the stock would suggest. What is dissapointing is that the announcement with regards to a strategic partnership did not result in a rally. Then again this is a technology market and to some degree the analysts are still getting their heads around it all and are probably scrabbling for information. Ask yourself this if they were so all knoweledgable how come they took Nokia from a low of 8.5 in August 2010 to a high of 11.7 prior to the CEO memo leak.

This is a brave move and what they are doing is pre-empting a decline in the Symbian market and it is the strong symbiam market which has allowed them to take the eye of the ball. Suprisingly for some on here it would seem but smartphones are only one aspect of the marketplace. What you are seeing from Nokia is a recognition of its future importance. A partnership with Microsoft allows them to backfill where they have not previously been strong.

My recent experience with the N8 really confirmed to me how off the ball Nokia had become and my recent experience with both the N8 and the Omnia with WM7 that I now welcome this move.

 

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darthdevidem01 said:
Xen said:

Nokia's about to get a whole lot better.

This.

Nice to see them get rid of that outdated symbian system.

Even so, I'll miss it. The Nokia 6680 was my first smartphone, the first in line to use the symbian we know today.

Oh well, bring on WM7!



AussieGecko said:
NotStan said:
disolitude said:

These early Nokia build concepts look alright to me. This already spells mass...market...appeal... to me.

I like the screen, not too hot on the back though.

Good move for both companies, not sure if I want to something incredibly good to come out of it though, a more powerful corporation is never essentially a good thing. As long as the products are good, I am satisfied.


ooooooh purrrdy looks like a may get a nokia once again...

These phones look like phones that would appeal to my sister, my mom, your cousin...everyone. And the beauty of WP7 is that is runs faster with just 1GHz than Andriod does on dual core. MS and nokia sould be able to sell these phones in many regions where price needs to be low and keep the user experience great...WP7 OS runs very well at minimum spec.
Great design, great price, good user experience...hence why I am saying mass market appeal.