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Hephaestos said:
Final-Fan said:

OK I was all set to vote Heph after his tirade, but the very same post made Linkzmax unvote, so maybe not...

And apparently I'm illiterate? 

you seem to do a lot of the "ah ok then i'll do it too" so FoS FF

(I fos you for not voting me, that's smart of me ^^)

 

Besides that, you noticed noname said "Scum" are illiterate or lazy, so what you said is basically a confession...


this is missing a ? after lazy



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Wonktonodi said:

small mistake you have heph voting for me and linkz

or maybe this was the twist he was talking about :P

damn, I really need to get a better tracking system for the votes. >.<

Anyway, here's the correct list, double-checked:

Current votes (6 needed to lynch):

[0, L-6] Linkzmax:  (theprof00); (Stefl1504); (Hephaestos)

[0, L-6] Stefl1504:  (noname2200)

[0, L-6] noname2200: (theprof00)

[0, L-6] theprof00: (Stefl1504)

[0, L-6] trashleg: (Hephaestos)

[3, L-3] A Bad Clown: (noname2200); (Final-Fan); trashleg; radishhead; theRepublic

[0, L-6]  theRepublic: (Final-Fan)

[1, L-5] Wonktonodi: Hephaestos

[2, L-4] Hephaestos: Wonktonodi; (Linkzmax); A Bad Clown



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Silver-Tiger said:

damn, I really need to get a better tracking system for the votes. >.<

Anyway, here's the correct list, double-checked:

but but but... I liked having double vote ability :-x



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Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3918449

Working on my posts.  I hope to not flood the wall with them and will do my best to keep things clear concise and free of stupid errors.

 I believe I covered part of this in my "one post in over a 24 hour period"  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919700 However I'll go at the points in order and with more detail.

1. I was satisfied with the answer over his prof statement because.  It gave an explanation for that.  Feeling satisfied with that I didn't look at much into the details of his answer because, they are so hard to follow some times. I have asked a few questions one was just to clarify a post he had made before going robot.  I probably could have done more but won't deny I've not felt as motivated to.  So currently I'm not looking at his older posts (any before the post in the link) with the possible exception of iterations with theprof.  Although more on thepofs end than his since I did commit to doing this and haven't yet.

2. I'm not sure how those numbers would work.  With a no lynch there would be more more possible person for the doc to protect (if there is one) so unless it was scum hit the first day in the random lynch the doc's odds of picking the same as the scum would improve.  However I will avoid any more math discussions till after the game.

3. Correct that was a typo.  I did find hephs vote for the time limit more suspicious than trash's.  However that doesn't mean hers isn't just that I don't view them quite the same way. 

4. I don't see the point of most of this.  Yes I get that you find me suspicious and you have brought up reasons.  However going to say you would HOS instead of a finger (you have latter changed this when you voted Heph although I wonder if you got a third hand in the unvote)  My biggest problem with this though is you bring up that I did something very scummy but refuse to actually present the evidence.  If you aren't going to bring up the evidence I don't think you should mention the suspicion either.  It just seems like you want someone else to come up with something that I did. 

Note I find this different from what I've done because I mention the evidence then ask for thoughts or opinions. 

I was falling asleep thinking I'd be voting for you today, but when I woke up my mind was thinking I should revote Heph. Unfortunately, if I figured something out in a dream, then I didn't keep the logic. I won't be voting just due to a feeling, but I will look at Heph once again in addition to reexamining you.

1) Noted. I still feel like it was artificial though. I just don't think a townie investigating someone suspicious would get an answer which offers new information and not inquire about it or at least check to see that it's valid.

2) My math was slightly off and I haven't considered cases with additional no lynches. If the scumteam is comprised of 3 members, then overall the odds are still in favor of a no lynch. However, just considering the worst case scenario the random lynch is better for town and better still since I consider the odds to be 3/10 instead of 3/11. If it's only 2 members, then odds are much more in favor of a doc save then a random lynch. On the other hand, if there's only 2 of them then I doubt there would be a doctor anyway. I only bring this all up because I really enjoy math, but it's moot because I believe several players(yourself included) are suspicious enough to warrant a non-random lynch.

4) You refer to the post in which I unvoted Heph(No I don't have three hands, I suppose he get's a Smelly Foot of Suspicion, lol) and also HoSed you, but you missed "This will also explain why I was going to give Wonk an HoS"? I didn't want to bring up the evidence because I was worried you were drawing attention to something that scum might've missed. I wasn't looking for someone else to come up with something. And if they had thought I meant something else then it would've been exactly what I was hoping for, but only because they hadn't noticed it.

Your note is really giving me the impression that instead of forming your own opinions you want to point things out, see what people come up with, and then push them towards your goal. First with radish and now with Heph.



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Wonktonodi said:

Linkzmax said:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919375

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3919889


I had as I mentioned thought something like strong scum team. However that didn't seem right.  Also thought that he could try the tactict of latter trying to say he has a role that is odd or unsusual.  Although this game we would be more likely to go after someone who hints at roleclaims, it could still do some damage. 

Now I'm thinking that he used it to deflect discussion from other things.  I see he used with you something he used with me. Just insluting and isregarding points.  I find it scummy to do so and not to talk them out.  That was the big reason I had voted for him in the first place.  

I'm a bit disapointed that you have taken your vote off him.

Yes that doesn't seem right. If Truck hand-picked the teams instead of using random.org then I'd have to give him scummy mod points. In all seriousness, your other idea does hold some merit but as I mentioned in the first linked post, I was worried that he may actually have an unsual role. I suppose if you are truly suspicious of him then you'd want to press him for an explanation now, as noname is attempting with ABC, but I am of the belief that it's not pro-town. It's certainly odd to be trying to force a claim with 0 votes on Heph at the time.

Yes I felt Heph was insulting, but I'm over it. No I don't think he disregarded my points. Well he's claiming much of it is actually prof's points and that implies I can't share the same thoughts, but for my independent points he's addressed them as he sees them. I wouldn't expect him to agree with me on them regardless of his alignment.

Why are you disappointed, does my unvote hinder your agenda?

Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:

I'm now quite confident you are scum.  I'm thinking linkz is as well but isn't going to push a lynch because he wants to find more day one. 

What is this supposed to mean? I'm scum, but I want to find more of what?

Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
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"One might argue", aren't you arguing that with your FoS? I will admit that it's quite exciting to be voted for, but as far as scary goes it's more of a relief. It's quite selfish, but I'm afraid of being too clean. Anyway, your vote didn't elicit my response, it was your question that made me realize one of the "facts" I was forming opinions from was incorrect. Your vote felt rushed and quite "Oh My Gosh, yoU're Scum" (OMGUS) to me. I was not expecting you to go right back to Wonk though.

What question was that?  Also what are your thoughts on his behavior of dismissing points? Then when confronted finding other ways to dismiss them?

Clearly I was wrong to accuse Heph of not observing things, because you're missing a lot of things. Well maybe not wrong, but you're definitely a bigger offender. Your interaction with Heph does remind me of the one last round with hat. The differences being obviously Heph isn't hat and you seem quite different this time around. I'm fairly certain at least one of you is scum and I'm very much leaning your way now. See below for the question which caused my unvote. 

Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

 There were a couple of other examples in which you seemed to be missing an observation, but I'd have to dig them up if you want. Also, it's your own fault but you reminded me of when you defended me as mafia and you're doing the same for ABC. Once again, I know you said you hope you'll always do that regardless of alignment, but I have no evidence of that being true. I'm left believing you're trying to buddy up to him or look good if he's lynched and flips townie.

when did i ever defend you as mafia?

As theRepublic points out, you did defend me. But that's misremembering on my part. You were in fact a townie when you defended me. Thus you have shown you might do the same here concerning ABC. Since that was a big part of the reasoning in my mind,(mostly because it reminded me of hat last round saying things he would or wouldn't do as mafia) I [can't] see keeping my vote on you.

Unvote: Hephaestos

Still it is quite odd that you said that when it didn't apply to what I was saying



Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:

I'm now quite confident you are scum.  I'm thinking linkz is as well but isn't going to push a lynch because he wants to find more day one. 

What is this supposed to mean? I'm scum, but I want to find more of what?


he meant he thinks you too are confident that I am scum.

I read it the same way you did first... but that just sounded wrong :-p



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Hephaestos said:

Well had I goten a time limit, I expect it to have been 72 hours, there'd still be a good day of discution to conclude everything. We're nearing 900 posts now, so the pace has slowed down a lot, if the day lasts too long, and depending on the night death(s) it could verywell just crawl because of exhaustion. A night would have been a good break and let everyone catch up.

mostly people that have posted little and are quiet. Although I focused on Wonk prof and you in my accusations, I highly doubt you're the mafia trio. Since we know little about FF, Stefl , republic, noname and radish, I wouldn't put it past them to do a stealthy jump on the train.

I can very much see your point with a time limit now. For some reason with the time limit talk earlier, I was thinking there would only be a short period for people to finish discussions. With several players becoming a bit more inactive I was worried that the active ones(myself included) would either be forced into "saving" ABC by coming to a quick agreement on someone else, or just settling with ABC's lynch. Neither option really sat well with me. I know it's already going to be a chore and a half rereading day one if needed on future days, but I'm up to the challenge. Still I'm no longer opposed to a time limit for those that are asking for it.

FF you have a point with, and that nearly happened apparently. I'd be wary of Stefl voting for you or anyone else given he's only concentrated on ABC so far. I'd be surprised if either Republic or noname switched to you also given they've seemed very set on ABC due to his illogical(and impossible) reasoning earlier in the thread. I could see radish jumping on you though and I don't think he'd look very suspicious for it given his earlier reputation, although now that he's "new and improved" I would expect good reasoning. I think it's odd you don't mention trashleg though, as I would consider her pretty quiet lately. She's posting enough to answer questions and distance herself from you, but all of her scumhunting has only been focused on ABC.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:

I'm now quite confident you are scum.  I'm thinking linkz is as well but isn't going to push a lynch because he wants to find more day one. 

What is this supposed to mean? I'm scum, but I want to find more of what?

he meant he thinks you too are confident that I am scum.

I read it the same way you did first... but that just sounded wrong :-p

Ahhhh, yes that makes a lot more sense. No Wonk, I lean towards Heph being scum, but I'm far from confident about it, and if I was then I would certainly push the lynch. I think I'd be more likely to expose the other(s) now, and if not a scum lynch on day one would be an incredible start.



Silver-Tiger said:

[1, L-5] Wonktonodi: (Hephaestos); Hephaestos

Small difference, but since you're noting unvotes than this is correct way to show it.