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Hephaestos on 16 February 2011
Linkzmax said:

At the time of this post I'm at the top of page 8 and I know there were things here I wanted to get to, but hopefully I'll be finished soon.


I read by 50ies, others by 10 ... just say i'm at post 800  like that we see better as not everyone knows you read by 100 (you do right?).



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Hephaestos on 16 February 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:

o recall both massons and mafia being told they could talk day one last round... trucks was a masson, he might have liked the idea. Especially as this little advantage could help tweak the game to a 2 mafia other day SK rather than just 3 mafia?

Well I did think it was wierd when I read it in the quicktopics but now I wouldn't rule it out...

What makes you think there's an SK? Also, I can accept that you misread Stefl and thought he implied there were 4 mafia. Yet just as theRepublic pointed out with Stefl, it seems you're making a statement of fact that if there's no third-party then the scumteam is composed of three members.

4 or 2 would be unbalanced... unless for2 if there is an sk.

and i know the option i didn't explain is wrong.

1) What "option" are you referring to?

Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

The latest example is the best for my point of you overanalyzing into bullying day one. trash said she had 192 posts overnight. You point out it's wrong and that she can't have logged on for 28 hours to get that number. What do you do with this info? instead of drawing conclusions or going to the next question, you requier from her an explanation, and insist on it. This is preasure applied on something that is irrelevant to the game. The only info that you get is that people are enoyed and become somewhat agressive to you. This is what happened with Gniz's being sick last round. You argued for a while on the "let's say" and in the end you had to drop the case (and he turned out town).

2) prof has already explained himself here, but I thought it was apparent in his post what the conlusion was. "So, you said 192 new posts, eh? That means that last time you were online was 14:41 GMT 2/13/11, which means you went without posting for 20 hours, and just watched." prof never asked or demanded for an explanation, so I really don't see where you got that from. trashleg did try to offer one and it's perfectly reasonable for prof to respond to that.

Hephaestos said:

Vote : Timelimit

we're reaching 750 posts. People have to have an idea of what they want to do day one by now (and they'll have the time till the timelimit too).

3) HoS: Hephaestos
I certainly have an idea now, but ~100 posts ago I wasn't as satisfied with my decision at the time. I really don't like the way you(and trashleg) have voted for time limits when the attention of several people shifted in your(and her) direction. Since you pointed it out once again, you defended me in my first game to try and gain the trust of a townie. You've done the same for ABC, and I believe it to be for the same reason. I think despite your claim otherwise, you do want ABC lynched and you're trying to have a deadline instituted to rush people into finishing him off instead of taking the closer look at you.

If I were to vote now it'd be for your lynch. I'm going to go back and take that closer look though.

1) took me a while to remember and i can't answer that'd be breaking the rules.

2) I read the "and just watched" as an accusation of being there and not posting, very opposit to the possibility of the lagging person to have read a bit and left without having caught up. To me it's as demanding of an answer as a question.

3) i fosed ABC but whatever... if you call me saying i don't want first time players dead on first day a defence then thats too bad. the timelimit is because day one has too many unknows compared to other days, i find it a waist to linger on it. ABC was at L-2 with 3 players saying they might vote him, sure, a time limit would kill him, but waiting was likely to do so too and i believe would harm the town by giving way too much weight to day one, a day that in discution is already well worth 2 but in info, not even a night.



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Linkzmax on 16 February 2011

Okay, I found myself once again trying to fit observed behavior into a fictional framework as noname put it. Instead of pointing out all of the things I think mafia-Heph did and why, I'm just going to point out the two things Heph said that were missing from noname's summary and gave me a scummy vibe. This will also explain why I was going to give Wonk an HoS.

Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:
theRepublic said:
Hephaestos said:

1) o recall both massons and mafia being told they could talk day one last round... trucks was a masson, he might have liked the idea. Especially as this little advantage could help tweak the game to a 2 mafia other day SK rather than just 3 mafia?

Well I did think it was wierd when I read it in the quicktopics but now I wouldn't rule it out...

They were allowed a single "I'm here" type of post as Day One started.  That was it.  I see that the way I worded that post looks funny, but if you look at the timestamps, you see that there really wasn't any discusion during the Day.

That is an interesting theory that you think Trucks let them talk during Day One this game, but I think it is highly unlikely.

2) then it was.

and yes it is an unlikely theory, but i can see trucks trying to find ways to add spice without changing too much from vanilla, if not in this way, then in an other.


3) I think this could be a possible slip.  I have some ideas but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts first.  No Heph not you.  shoo

1) I already pointed this post out, but Heph mentioning an SK really jumped out to me. His idea of allowing mafia to talk during the day makes me think he could be one of the 2 he mentions and coordinating actions to hunt for an SK as well as set up a mislynch. On the other hand, he could be an SK and thinks this tweak would keep the odds in favor of the main anti-town faction winning.

2) I really didn't want to point this out, because when I read it I was thinking Heph hinted at a non-standard pro-town role. But three things have put me at ease about that:
First, Wonk already pointed it out and then FF mentioned it also. If it wasn't seen already, then it certainly has by now.
Second, although Heph snipped out the "slip" when he replied to Wonk, the way he continues to discuss it leads me to believe he isn't worried about it.
Third, I recalled that the last thing something with a role should do is hint at it.

Vote: Hephaestos

3) This one is for Wonk. If he really saw this as a slip then he should've voted here and not after a few more posts. Additionally, it's troublesome that he hasn't shared any of the "ideas" yet, although FF was the only other person to comment on it so far. If he was thinking, like I was initially, that Heph could have a non-standard pro-town role then he should've avoided Heph's post like the plague instead of drawing attention to it.

HoS: Wonktonodi



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theprof00 on 16 February 2011
Hephaestos said:


4)do you really expect a reply on this?

5) I have nothing to object here, he was indeed not cooperating (and pushing your buttons a bit too).

6) I miss expressed myself it seems. If I could prove the reasons why you altered your gameplay, then I would vote for you. Evidently, you haven't produced much, one of the uppoints of your style is that you are a bit hidden behing your questions.


1) yet you did
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916893

6) Fair enough, you fixed what was a logical fallacy into a pretty obvious statement. Well then, back at you. If I knew the reason why you are posting the way you are, I would have already voted you too.



Hephaestos on 16 February 2011
Linkzmax said:

1) On the other hand, he could be an SK and thinks this tweak would keep the odds in favor of the main anti-town faction winning.

2)Third, I recalled that the last thing something with a role should do is hint at it.

Vote: Hephaestos

don't just spell check, also do reread what you say

1) I could be an SK because I talked about one.

2) I could be a power role but no cause I talked about one.

Very convincing points, i'm thinking of voting myself right now....



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Hephaestos on 16 February 2011
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:


4)do you really expect a reply on this?

5) I have nothing to object here, he was indeed not cooperating (and pushing your buttons a bit too).

6) I miss expressed myself it seems. If I could prove the reasons why you altered your gameplay, then I would vote for you. Evidently, you haven't produced much, one of the uppoints of your style is that you are a bit hidden behing your questions.


1) yet you did
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916893

6) Fair enough, you fixed what was a logical fallacy into a pretty obvious statement. Well then, back at you. If I knew the reason why you are posting the way you are, I would have already voted you too.

1) well I wouldn't really call that an answer to your statement as I don't adress it at all... it's more a quote to get your attention =)

(I did wait till I got home from work cause looking for posts isn't practicall with a boss in the room, but i still missed this post :-p)

6) No you wouldn't.



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Hephaestos on 16 February 2011

@ proff, so as not to vex you if you continue questioning me, i'm going to dinner, so i'll be logged on, but won't respond till my gf falls asleep (that's 12PM... and when my 12-5AM (or 3 AM depending on the day) gaming/web time starts, though i'll also be available at 8:45 AM, cause I got the early shift at work and will be alone with my computer for 30 mins )

 

Bon appetit!



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Linkzmax on 16 February 2011
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

1) On the other hand, he could be an SK and thinks this tweak would keep the odds in favor of the main anti-town faction winning.

2)Third, I recalled that the last thing something with a role should do is hint at it.

Vote: Hephaestos

don't just spell check, also do reread what you say

1) I could be an SK because I talked about one.

2) I could be a power role but no cause I talked about one.

Very convincing points, i'm thinking of voting myself right now....

1) I think you're scum. Whether that's mafia or an SK, you're still anti-town.

2) I don't think you're a power role, because you may have hinted that you are one and that shouldn't be done. I'm not going to be duped again.

I appreciate the sarcasm, it makes me feel even more like I voted right.



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theprof00 on 16 February 2011
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:


4)do you really expect a reply on this?

5) I have nothing to object here, he was indeed not cooperating (and pushing your buttons a bit too).

6) I miss expressed myself it seems. If I could prove the reasons why you altered your gameplay, then I would vote for you. Evidently, you haven't produced much, one of the uppoints of your style is that you are a bit hidden behing your questions.


1) yet you did
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916893

6) Fair enough, you fixed what was a logical fallacy into a pretty obvious statement. Well then, back at you. If I knew the reason why you are posting the way you are, I would have already voted you too.

1) well I wouldn't really call that an answer to your statement as I don't adress it at all... it's more a quote to get your attention =)

(I did wait till I got home from work cause looking for posts isn't practicall with a boss in the room, but i still missed this post :-p)

6) No you wouldn't.

1) I can see that.

6) haha, I wouldn't? 

So what you're implying is that you're a townie, and I wouldn't vote for you if I knew you were a townie. Do you somehow know that I'm a townie, Heph? A mafia would surely vote for a townie.

 

Also, I would not be vexed by you not answering a post. I understand that people have lives outside of the game.



noname2200 on 16 February 2011

Can either of our mods please give us an updated vote count?  I think I have it right, but I'd like to confirm.