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Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:
Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

I think this could be a possible slip.  I have some ideas but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts first.  No Heph not you.  shoo

you're repeating your "radish" fishing for others to attack first technique...


Not really I don't really think there is much there however I do know you that you don't listen to me :P

i do listen, but an argument that i dismissed won't become true to my ears by being repeated.

look at bolded :P

I didn't comment on the "slip" you mentioned, I commented on your approach and then on you saying I didn't listen.

In any case if you want to have discutions without me, you should wait for the night to come ^^



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Wonktonodi said:


and exageration is a trillion times worse than understatement :P

It's barely an exaggeration, though.  Seriously, last round really sucked to mod...



Stefl1504 said:

(1) Actually, I think there also could be two (mafia), but I found it safer to asume that there are 3 if it comes down to vote for someone.

(3) I don't think much about it, because I think that radish seems to play better right now and I do not like to judge people because of what happened in the last game(s). Of course you can compare gameplay, but don't try to say something like: He played bad last round, lets lynch him!

(5) Okay, I will try to reread the converations between them and then try to build an image of them without looking at the opinions of the others at it.

1) Please explain this to me.  Why is it "safer" to assume that there is a higher number?

3) That's what I'm asking though.  Why do you "think that radish seems to play better right now"?  What specifically has he done/not done to make you think that?

5) Any thoughts for me on this one yet?



Okay, the game seems to be slowing down a bit, so I'd like to take this time to start focusing our attention on who, if anyone, we're going to lynch today.  The following is a list of actual votes (underlined) and preferred votes.  I'm leaving off any vote that was a joke/placeholder.

ABC: noname, trash, radish, republic, stefl, ff

wonk: heph

heph: wonk

prof was stuck between "wonk,heph, and trashleg."   ABC gave a criteria, but no specifics. Linkz seems to have returned to undecided.  No one is dead set on a No Lynch.  A casual glance at the above list shows that ABC is currently the prime lynch candidate, although some players have expressed reservations about his scumminess.

My next post will be a brief summary of our collective suspicions, as I understand them.  I am likely to have missed something, so please chime in if you spot an omission.



-Suspicions on A Bad Clown:  He has been consistently unable to give a satisfying explanation for his actions.  He justified his initial suspicion of me by claiming he did not know we could unvote, notwithstanding that several players had done so, and that he has played forum mafia before.  He joked around with me after I voted him, but later implicitly claimed he thought the joke vote was serious.  He suspected heph and trash, but dropped his suspicions not because of any explanation that they gave, but because they became more active.  He has consistently explained his actions by referring to things that would not occur for several hours.  He stopped responding to me because I made a big post, but the effort I put into it makes him think I'm a townie. 

 

-Suspicions on wonk:  He pushed a lynch on radish very early in the game, despite not personally thinking radish was scum. Made a post before this proposal in which he noted that two players were already suspicious of radish.  This was shortly after we'd stopped joking around.  He has repeatedly emphasized that he was not pushing a lynch on radish, but instead a lynch on the weakest player, who happened to be radish, in lieu of a no-lynch.  Again, this was essentially when the game had just begun.  Notwithstanding that caveat, he did not do any serious scum-hunting until heph repeatedly got on his case, at which point he voted for heph.  Interactions with radish could be interpreted as telling a fellow scum to shape up and improve.  Responded to a radish post with a smiley, to indicate radish's play has improved, but has since insisted that radish still sucks.  Gave ABC a pass when ABC displayed some poor logic.  Has not followed through on a promise to look at ABC more closely.  Possible revenge vote on heph.

 

-Suspicions on theRepublic:  Predecessor trangentspree showed up, said that some things had 'caught his eye' without bothering to expand on that, promised to appear the next day (his free day), then disappeared into the void.  Republic himself jumped on stefl for stefl's implicit assumption that there are three mafia in this game, and even said this was worthy of a vote if ABC wasn't around, but then he himself made a post in which he also assumed that there are three mafia in this game.  Has not responded to that fact, despite last logging in nine hours ago.

-Suspicions on stefl:  Has been extremely passive this game.  Has one of the smallest post totals, and has so far primarily (exclusively?) posted to answer questions directed at him.  Posted that he was more than happy to answer any questions sent to him, but  AFAIK he has not contributed any original thoughts so far or taken the initiative.  Made a post in which he assumed that this game has three mafia.

 

From here, I'm going to need you guys to fill in more blanks for me, since I haven't been part of the following discussion and thus am not as familiar with it.

-Suspicions on heph:  Possible buddying with trash, and has jumped in unsolicited to defend trash from prof's interrogation.  Requested a time limit once attention started to fall on him and trash.  Trash did something similar around that time.   Possible buddying with ABC as well.  Voted to lynch wonk partly based on his suspicions of radish.

-Suspicions on trash:  Possible buddying with heph.  Has written that she hates being the focus of attention, and that she would soil herself if she thought she was acting suspicious.



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noname2200 said:

Linkz seems to have returned to undecided. 

Correction: linkz' primary is now heph.



theprof00 said:
trashleg said:

right. see this post, why was ABC apparently going along with the "prof will check people out thing"

why didn't he just say what he'd meant, that he wanted to check out prof.?

if that was me and id said something so vague and potentially dangerously ambiguous, id be shitting myself trying to clarify.

i know i seem to be keeping it purely on ABC, but he IS the one im suspicious of. im looking for evidence of that. gimme 4 or 5 hours to sleep and i'll be back to check out wonk and stefl. promise.

thank you.

That is specifically why I was focused on ABC for so long and then after really looking back over his posts couldn't bring myself to vote him. Things like what you pointed out. He doesn't seem like mafia.

Let me know what you think of wonk and stefl. Stefl I've been ignoring since he hasn't been posting much, and he is one of the people I'm curently looking at.

just quoting so youknow i am paying attention, i'll be back online properly in like 2 hours ok? sorry for the mad runaround. i'll be up late tonight tho so no worries.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
noname2200 said:
noname2200 said:

Linkz seems to have returned to undecided. 

Correction: linkz' primary is now heph.

That's right. And though trash is an HoS while Wonk is only an FoS, I think my suspicions of her are too linked to the ones I have of Heph. Wonk would be my second choice for a lynch.

Last night I was quite hesitant to vote for Heph, but since then I think my fears have been allayed. I'm going to go back through the thread now, so in my next post I'll explain that as well as reiterate things you missed in your summary or bring up any new points that have yet to be mentioned.



noname2200 said:
Stefl1504 said:
Actually, I think there also could be two (mafia), but I found it safer to asume that there are 3 if it comes down to vote for someone.
Please explain this to me.  Why is it "safer" to assume that there is a higher number?

Because he then has higher odds of hitting scum



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theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:


4) wow so one of these nameless quotes was indeed for me... see I thought they were all for trash. And I posted that before leaving... cause after my higher activity periode, I noticed that not many others were on a the same time. If you made 8 posts without response from me it just supports my initial sentence. In this game, my schedule so far is opposit to that of other players.

Unfortunately it makes discutions a lot more tedious :-/

5) Your issues with gniz were largely due to you not knowing how that player acts. It was actually painfull to watch cause your efforts had merit, but gniz was just a wall to your technique.

6) If I could prove it I would be voting you not HoSing you. And you're correct it's not a point that can be proven. But it'll be a point to take into account with other evidence down the line.

4) 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916375

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916428

and the one right after it, all non-nameless quote boxes directed at you.

3 in total.

I thought you just wanted some discussion. I'm going to assume that you were confused about which posts I was talking about. Despite that, even if they were directed at trash, or about trash, I must have been confused and you were not passively complaining about a lack of discussion when you get your window to post.

And, you had posted seconds before my first post, so I do not blame the window, but, being a nice guy, I will assume that you were playing video games for those 2-3 hours that you were shown as online.

 

5) My issue with Gniz was that I made an observation about something he did and voted him for it. His response was to tell me that my observation was somehow baseless and innacurate and that made it a good reason for his vote on me. Sure, his play style has a lot to do with it, avoiding questions, discrediting good analysis, those don't say townie to me, and interrogation is not simply about finding scum, but also finding townie. Gniz was completely unhelpful. So, I will concede that point, if you will concede mine.

 

6) And if you could prove that I was playing differently, you would be voting for a logical fallacy, because your reasoning is that I'm trying to replicate my past gameplay and failing at that, when such a simple solution would be that I've simply altered my gameplay due to new knowledge and experience. 


4) you're kidding right?

here's a post of you quoting my response to your first one.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3916918

the second one of your posts is this:

theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

yeah we have gotten quite a few verbose happy players... it does make the game harder to follow... but oh so much interesting to read.

 

(oh yeah I just replied for the lolz of linkz and proff saying we talk a lot :-p)

You're sarcasm isn't helping your situation, Heph.

do you really expect a reply on this?

here: it's not sarcasm, we do have verbose happy players (me included) and I do think it makes the game more interesting. If you were refering to the secon part, then yeah i'm joking (:-p and lolz should indicate it) cause I found it absurd to even say I talked a lot to her as I talked just as much if not more to noname at the same time.

that's not a reply I found of interest to post, but here it is ^^

5) I have nothing to object here, he was indeed not cooperating (and pushing your buttons a bit too).

6) I miss expressed myself it seems. If I could prove the reasons why you altered your gameplay, then I would vote for you. Evidently, you haven't produced much, one of the uppoints of your style is that you are a bit hidden behing your questions.



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